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Knife, right. first of all, under state law, the switchblade is illegal to have. but what you see and what's coming here from the attorneys who are talking about the specific knife that they believe freddie gray had and they're asking actually, in a motion, to see that knife, it's a spring assistant type of knife and they say under baltimore city code it's much more expansive about what is illegal. they say that knife is illegal that was in freddie gray's possession. and that makes a difference. they say that means these officers had probable cause to arrest freddie gray and that the charge fo...

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Campaigned the community against the police and this is the logical result of that. >> what is the morale of the police? just anecdotedly, they seem down and they don't understand how these guys who have devoted their lives to protecting us, who, by the way, are not rich, are now having fingers pointed in their faces being called racist, not to mention being killed. >> when they joined this job, none of them ever thought they would become targets and that the mayor wouldn't stand with them. he could have, right up front, said that whatever that was was not racial. every prominent person involv...

Have become brazen enough to literally send in their own representatives into chicago to how would you say, facilitate their transaction. that's one of the issues and an issue germane also to newark and camden, new jersey. >> why more gangs or gang violence in chicago as opposed to new york city? >> because new york city wouldn't stand for it. they have a gang unit attached to the intelligence division and they're very proactive and they have an entirely different approach to policing. the problem with chicago, don, as again i go back to newark and camden, the horse is out of the stall with th...

If i told them i lost all my emails and couldn't come up with the records to file all my taxes that wouldn't stand. i would still be held accountable and so should the irs be held accountable for their lapse in judgment. >> you know, i am not -- i think it's weird that they disappeared and that lois lerner all the emails during the relevant time. i'm not convinced though that it was deliberate. i do believe one thing. do i believe that you are entitled to investigate it you have a lawsuit. you are entitled to discovery. and you should have aggressive discovery. so i'm certainly -- i stand behi...