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Sledgehammers, no people getting knocked off their horse, but you gradually sense a movement toward a man, and you pray hard, talk a lot to one another, and there is a gradual movement to it that i found just generated a lot of joy and serenity. >> were you trying to look at anybody's ballots? >> i may be irish, but i wouldn't stoop to that. >> walking it up in your hand? >> to go up and make another oath, you know, and then to put it on this beautiful -- you put it on the tray and take it so that it goes in, those are -- those are stunning moments and there is silence, most of the conclave is...

Pray hard, talk a lot to one another, and there is a gradual movement to it, that i found just generated a lot of joy and serenity. >> were you trying to look at anybody's ballots? >> i may be irish, but i wouldn't stoop to that. >> walking up with it in your hand. how big a moment in your life? >> to go up, make another oath and put it on this beautiful -- you put it on the tray and take it so it goes in. and those are stunning moments. and there is silence. most of the conclave is silent, see? not a caucus, not a convention. light a liturgy. prayer. you begin and end with prayer. it's very q...