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Significant was jan brewer's language when she vetoed the bill. her language almost dripped with disdain for the other side. she simply said, for the republican side even. the bill itself. she said i don't know of a single case where religious liberty was violated by this idea. and you know, he thought that that was very significant because you know you might have expected her to kind of give a little bit more on that. >> marco rubio wouldn't support it but he said we have to balance these things carefully. >> you have to balance be religious liberty and certain extreme cases and human life, t...

Enable them to pass, you know, again it's his prerogative not to let that happen. now, is that good for them political politically? that's another question. i think particularly on things like immigration, there is potential for political damage to the party as a whole if not to individual members of congress. but, you know, we don't live in a pure democracy. everything is not a referendum. a popular vote of the american people. there are thing that is are popular with a majority of americans you probably wouldn't support, as well. >> rich, here's the thing that strikes me about this. when i l...

Secretary of state, almost until the end. wouldn't run. so he -- >> he was afraid that a more conservative guy who would run, who wouldn't want to fight the war and wouldn't want a new deal to continue. >> that's right. he didn't want anybody who was about a new dealer and didn't want anybody who wouldn't support his policy of aid to britain when britain was hanging by a thread. >> everybody forgets what it was like in this country. france was fallen, england was threatened, the low countries were gone, the nazis were over -- they had overrun continental europe. in the middle of all of that, w...

Said in that campaign when asked who would martin luther king support in the early primary. he said king wouldn't support any of us, he'd be in the street for justice. that tells me where i ought to be, most of us who dream of a better world we ought to be. not the sites of power we don't have access to but the sites we have access to, neighborhood, street, community, classroom and that's what i do. >> to follow on that, bill, the notion that change and progress are happening on the local, municipal and state level i think is absolutely right, but at the same time repealing reproductive freedo...

Answer the question. he wouldn't say if he thought businesses should be able to discriminate based on race. >> these are important philosophical debates but not a practical discussion. >> it's pretty practical to those who had their life beaten out of them trying to desegregate walgreens lunch counters. this is not a hypothetical, dr. paul. >> it is a hypothetical. the day after that interview, paul said that he wanted to be clear, saying he would have voted for the civil rights act and wouldn't support efforts to repeal it but the night before on live tv he was anything but clear. >> so just ...