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Literally. it's led to exasperated coverage in wisconsin, reporters trying to figure out how to cover this with a straight face. for example, these are real sentences in a real news article about real things michael gableman has been doing while running this investigation. real sentences as reported by "the milwaukee journal sentinel" just today. quote, gableman two weeks ago issued subpoenas demanding interviews this friday with city clerks and the bipartisan state election commission. within days he canceled those interviews. today he announced the interview with the director of the election...

To conduct in front of the legislative committee. if they don't comply with those laws, the subpoenas are unenforceable. so we've had ongoing discussions and we're going to make sure that the process that takes place is one that is consistent with our state's law. >> we've seen in other states some of these audits cause real damage, beyond chipping away at the faith that people have in our elections. machines have had to be decertified, counties, in some cases the possibility of states, having to buy new election equipment. sensitive data that shouldn't have been shared has been shared. securi...

You also said this week that you believe the subpoenas sent out by the guy leading this audit might be unlawful. what are the consequences of that, if that's true? >> well, we've raised a number of objections to the subpoenas. we do think they're unlawful as they're currently drafted. the legislature in our state, just like the u.s. congress, can conduct legislative oversight hearings. but what they can't do is act like they're the executive branch and offer immunity, for example, as justice gableman did. and our statutes say they have to conduct hearings like the ones that justice gableman wa...

I think, take a look back at where we started. we started with a whistleblower ukraine. we weren't sure what had gone on behind the scenes. one month later, we know a lot. we know that a lot that was in that complaint has been corroborated by multiple witnesses. and it boils down to, donald trump, allegedly, using the powers of his office to solicit foreign interference. and he's confirmed some parts of it with his own public statements. the witnesses have done so behind closed doors. they made a lot of progress this past month. we'll see how quickly they want to pick up the pace heading towar...

>> i don't need to tell either of you, the messenger matters. this demographic maybe more than any other has the keenest ear for false praise and fake friends. are you worried about the economics? >> i'm worried about the economics. i'm not going to sit here and bash tavis smiley and i'm not going to go into that. the economics is very important. there are many of us and niger i'm sure is one of them who had been chanting for a long period of time for both parties to talk about issues of increasing african-american wealth, access to wealth because many times that's the only way that you can ac...