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Governme government. perhaps the united states military itself should not be doing business with russian military firms helping to fuel the violence. >> can i ask you in a meta sense, these types of things you are proposing, have advocates and people concerned about the situation in syria been asking the u.s. government to do these things and have been getting ignored or told no? has nobody been trying to advance an idea object american intervention here that wasn't something military? >> i worked on capitol hill 15 years and there's a reluctance to focus on something that it becomes so large ...

Crimes. >> when you say sanctions, one thing t-- the first thing i thik is, that's something that's not military. we're trying to open the box wider in terms of what's considered to be a potential tool here.seems. on the other hand, i think of the suffering of the syrian people 2 1/2 years into this difficult, terrible, widespread war, and i wonder about whether or not sanctions can be targeted narrowly enough that they wouldn't hit the syrian people, instead of just people in the government you're going after? >> it's a great observation. to be very clear, what we're talking about here are st...