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Lowering the concerns and the risk of lone wolves? he was an english speaker, u.s. citizen. cutting off a -- a prolific write ir. >> he was inspirational to a number of people, not just those w who kristen mentioned but ideas of people carrying out limited attacks with limited support and here we have in this case somebody who has been the inspiration for a lot of those lone wolves we have already seen. >> who's next? >> well, certainly, the u.s. officials are very confident that they will get iman al zawahiri. but it's important to note that al qaeda central which is how u.s. officials refer ...