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Anything with those people. there should be some kind of testing if they want compensation from dobbs and royale. they have to prove that they are clean, that they are not addicted. >> if they're not clean, then we -- >> -- then here is what they do. that's a good question you are asking me, dobbs, here is the answer. if you are not clean, you either go to rehab, all right, and then we will pay you your welfare, and if you don't, you don't get anything. >> and we just expanded the cost of welfare by adding treatment for addiction, which by the way. >> but that is cost effective. >> absolutely....

Co-founder and ceo of axios jim vandehei and msnbc contributor barbara mcquade. mika has the morning off. so, john, first of all, got so much to talk about. first of all, john heilemann, hold up the tabloids this morning, because they basically say what i knew they were going to say. which is, you know whoever is in charge of writing headlines for the tabloids, we're like, you know what? i'm going to get in a little late tonight, because we can just -- we can recycle all the anthony weiner headlines and -- and go that direction. >> yesterday was kind of christmas, if you're, if you work on wha...