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that's a fact. that's not a.i. i'm bill hemmer. good morning at home. today's house oversight hearing looking at the chaotic withdrawal of kabul and the way it was handled that allowed u.s. military equipment to fall into the hands of the taliban, destabilizing the entire region and resulting in the deaths of 13 u.s. service members and hundreds of americans left behind. a separate hearing on afghanistan yesterday taking direct aim at previous denials of the chaos by the white house. denials like this. >> and so for all this talk of chaos, i didn't see it. not from my perch. at one p...

This market. >> trace: it's interesting because i read a lot of these things about how to beat inflation, dave, and a lot of the common denominators say things like buy a house, don't rent. get more fuel efficient car or electric car, by long lasting durable products. as you said the people getting hurt by this can't afford durable products. they can't afford to buy an electric vehicle or buy a home. they are left out of the tips. what would you tell those people? >> well, again, i'm going to first make every dollar i can behave by doing that old written budget. i sound like a broken record bu...

You write a check for $200, they pay you $180. it's ridiculous and keeps the poor poorer. >> gretchen: so you had some alternatives. correct? >> well, obviously the basic common sense things are, you've got to get on a written plan. you got to sell some stuff to break the cycle of this. and then make a list of your debts, smallest to largest and begin to attack. most of the time what happens in the payday loan world is that people are just disorganized. they haven't stopped and thought and they're living crisis to crisis and they fall prey to this. >> brian: it should be your stuff, right? you...

Sale or take an extra job or sell one of gretchen's head shots. whatever it takes. >> gretchen: i like how you're going with this. could you send a memo to the senate, too, to have a written budget. >> i've tried, but i've given up. >> gretchen: what about the third alternative, is the debt snowball? >> that's where you start working your way out of debt so that you have more money monthly. you simply list your debts smallest to largest and attack them in that order. pay minimum payments on everything but the little one and attack the smallest one and knock it out. >> brian: so that's the one ...

Emergency fund in place to be on a written budget to cut up the credit cards and get out of debt. so create wiggle room in your life because they haven't figured out how to do that in d.c. and they're going to keep coming for more of your money. >> well put. happy new year. dave ramsey. the surprise isn't that democrats insist the middle class avoided higher taxes, the surprise is the media keeps letting enemy they keep doing so, don't they? >> neil: something is wrong. i wasn't hearing you. we're going to get into this a little bit fix our -- hopefully fix her mic. the problem right now is yo...