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We don't know all the charges that will result here. with nixon, of course, he was never formally legally charged in a criminal proceeding. he was a draft bill of impeachment was in process. was never formally voted on by the house as a final document of the charging him in any way with impeachable offenses but nevertheless, the thrust of it was clearly obstruction of justice, abuse of power and contempt of congress were the three general areas of the articles. frankly, i'm delighted there was no impeachment trial because i was told i'd be one of the key witnesses. and nixon, however, i think ...

A sworn written record that can be tested. >> yep, absolutely. and there are some people who thought, hey, they got the president to lock himself in. the four corners of a document. this is true. this is false. this happened. it didn't. now he's locked in. and little did we know very soon afterwards, all these people were going to come out with handcuffs and everything else who had things to say that trump didn't know they were saying. so it's conceivable -- i know she was saying that -- this has nothing to do with anything. this is a normal thing. all he wants to talk with him. but there's a ...

The russian collusion, a lot of people made light of it saying this is easy. he has his lawyers answering. they have all the time in the world. now that it's done, there's also a sworn written record that can be tested. >> yep, absolutely. and there are some people who thought, hey, they got the president to lock himself in in the four corners of a document. this is true. this is false. this happened. it didn't. now he's locked in. and little did we know very soon afterwards, all these people were going to come out with handcuffs and everything else who had things to say that trump didn't know...

To get a break. >> you take a look at his written document. go back and look at what he wrote in i think january. he has a written statement. that's the fact. >> that's important what the president said. cohen's initial account was the truth, but mueller has e-mails to support cohen's new version of events. that's not the president's only problems. giuliani said there was no contra diction between what cohen admitted to mueller and the president's written answers to the special counsel. if you take that literally, always a danger with giuliani, then the president was lying all through the 2016...

Who's speaking on the president's behalf as his lawyer, said that the president's answers in his written document to mueller lines up with what michael cohen said. now, i'd like to see that released, if this white house really wants us to believe this president has any credibility. i guess, i can't even use that word in the same sentence with trump, but they want to prove something, that they are telling a story that their supporters will believe. that this was a business opportunity, that there was nothing untoward here and he was entitled to do this, and now he's being pushed around by this ...