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White house personally by the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein and by fbi director christopher wray. i spoke with one white house official that's an indication as they see him as part of the process, not the problem. that is subject to interpretation. we also know, brian, this is a president who has consistentlily referred to the russia probe as a hoax. he has said there's been no collusion. so the question becomes does he still see it that way? it becomes almost impossible. we've gotten a different message from his legal team, saying we want to cooperate with the special robert mueller....

President wishes to do so and probably even if the president doesn't wish to do so, it will be necessary for him to speak directly to the special counsel. >> and not do it in written form, are questions and answers in writing, but actually appear before the special counsel, right? >> yes. i would never accept as a special counsel a written response from the president. you get the lawyers' answers that way, and you don't get the opportunity to ask questions in realtime. it's much less conducive of producing the truth. it's much easier to hide the facts if you get to put them in very lawyerly-cr...

Under oath. now whether or not that is the reality is unclear, of course, he wants to convey to everyone that he believes he has nothing to hide. that there was no collusion, that his campaign did not collude with the russians. and that there was no obstruction of justice. in the firing of james comey. so clearly, he wants to convey that by saying look, i'll sit down and tell robert mueller that face-to-face under oath, but of course i'll do it on the counsel of my lawyers, but there is a lot of back and forth negotiating right now between robert mueller's team and the president's legal team i...

Well, i believe he will submit under careful coaching and careful agreements on how he does i. he doesn't want to end up in the situation that he's pulled into a grand jury types setting. i think there will be a level of cooperation very carefully premanaged. >> i'm sure his lawyers woul like to do it in written form. the special counsel submits written questions and the president would submit written answers. i don't believe a lot of experts have suggested to me robert mueller is probably not going to accept that. >> the president also says in this exchange he's had, this informal exchange he...

Going to do this carefully. so there is -- there is not an either/or scenario. that is either you only answer questions in written form, or you don't testify at all. or you have a full in person examination with no holds bar, no definition -- those things are -- neither one is likely to happen. what you are probably seeing is that privately the president's lawyers are saying, can you give us some idea what the contours are going to be. what general areas are you going to look at that and they'll talk about that. and then secondly could you give us an idea in writing the general nature you are ...