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Executive. the man who takes an oath to uphold the laws, promises he'll uphold the constitution, which includes a clause that specifically orders him to fulfill his duty to the law. and apparently the law is no more important to him than anything else is. he is willing to order people to violate the law, not to achieve some good gain. not toe achieve some positive goal, but to fulfill a campaign promise that he's made in hopes that he can be reelected in 2020. it's really abominable. >> ian, how do you see this legally in terms of recourse? >> well, i would have some advice for federal officia...

Maxwell, with ghislaine maxwell, if she proves a useful source of information, then it would behoove her to -- >> flip. >> to be as transparent as possible to the government. yes. she would have to be charged first with something because of now, we don't know. >> we need leverage. manny, there was back in the original case in 2007 in which was there a plea deal to two charges, a non-prosecution immunity agreement that apparently affects others. i suspect that is not worth the paper it's written on. for a couple of reasons. first, it doesn't immunize you for future acts so acts after 2007 are n...

There are many threads. bottom line as well with maxwell, with ghislaine maxwell, if she proves a useful source of information, then it would behoove her to -- >> gregg: flip. >> to be as transparent as possible to the government. yes. she would have to be charged first with something because as of now, we don't know. >> gregg: we need leverage. manny, there was back in the original case in 2007, in which there was a plea deal to two charges, a non-prosecution immunity agreement that apparently affects others. i suspect that is not worth the paper it's written on. for a couple of a reasons. fi...

Maxwell, with ghislaine maxwell, if she proves a useful source of information, then it would behoove her to -- >> flip. >> to be as transparent as possible to the government. yes. she would have to be charged first with something because of now, we don't know. >> we need leverage. manny, there was back in the original case in 2007 in which was there a plea deal to two charges, a non-prosecution immunity agreement that apparently affects others. i suspect that is not worth the paper it's written on. for a couple of reasons. first, it doesn't immunize you for future acts so acts after 2007 are n...

Then? president trump bushing the conspiracy theory about epstein's death, a tweet that we don't want to put up on the screen because it's not worth the ink that it's written on, linking the deaths to the clintons. so many people calling the president out of this, including the 2020 democratic candidates. >> this is just more recklessness. what he's doing is dangerous. >> this is another example of our president using this position of public trust to attack his political enemies with unfounded conspiracy theories. >> it's absolutely unpresidential. >> joining me right now, cnn's senior politic...