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That will be lost to history but for these two translators. what do we do about that? that passage of diplomacy that's unretrievable? >> first, brian, i want to correct you. we don't know that they disagreed about anything. that's a hypothesis. >> crazy idea on my part. >> that's part of the problem. just to underscore, that is part of the problem. we don't know what they said. number two, president trump is not good with facts and figures and understanding these things, compared to president putin. and number three, i hope what they did what any other administration could do. in fact, i know ...

The news that mueller communicated that he is subject to that investigation but not a criminal target in the context of discussions about getting him to talk to them what do you make of it? >> so here's how to read this. it's not that oh, thank goodness if you're in the white house the president's not a criminal target. it's oh, my. the president is a subject of this investigation. that's how i look at this. everything else is lawyering with regard to trying to give some comfort level to the white house that hey, hey, we're negotiating with you for an interview. no problems. we want to sit dow...

This investigation. that's how i look at this. everything else is lawyering with regard to trying to give some comfort level to the white house that hey, hey, we're negotiating with you for an interview. no problems. we want to sit down with you. you're not a criminal target yet, mr. president. as been said previously on your show, you're a day away from that. it's only as good as the paper it's been written on. he's the subject of an investigation. he's not yet a criminal target. he could be tonight, tomorrow or whenever mueller chooses to say he's got the evidence. >> you're nodding. >> the ...

2016. we know from our reporting that papadopoulos told an australian ambassador that the russians had dirt on hillary clinton and the ambassador told the fbi, and that kicked everything off. the memo tried to make it seem there was no connection between page and papadopoulos, no communication. how could the papadopoulos bit of this be relevant to the the carter page fisa warrant? >> what i think is interesting about the fact that they included this piece is it does undermine their overall point. they're saying the fisa application was predicated on carter page and the steele dossier. we know ...

Kicked everything off. the memo tried to make it seem tlfrs no connection between page and papadopoulos, no communication. how could the papadopoulos bit of this be relevant to the the carter page fisa warrant. >> what i think is interesting about the fact that they included this piece is it does undermine their overall point. they're saying the fisa application was predicated on carter page and the steele dossier. we know from the memo itself that papadopoulos really is what instigated the russia investigation. so the person that had drafted this memo honestly if i was nunes i would fire them...