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Testimony was he was being too lawyerly. that raises suspicions for prosecutors who are always looking to see if anybody has exposure so he needs to be totally forthcoming. the problem is at some point he'll have to get his own lawyer, it will probably be one of these pit bull washington law firms who are looking to keep his butt out of jail, quite frankly. so there will be a weird tension between his responsibilities as the nation's chief law enforcement officer but he's leading in the department that will have some role investigating him for a federal crime. >> david, in your view, is the co...

Laid out what were really headlines. >> mm-hmm. >> the devil is in the details, and the question is where do you get $1 trillion from? and those details weren't there. now, to be honest, you don't expect details in that kind of speech, and i've been around long enough to understand that. but notice what john just did. he didn't even touch the jeff sessions thing, and this is what they do. they sit there and talk about all the good things, but then everybody and their grandmother knows they screwed up big time at the end of the week. and quite candidly, i think republicans right now are very ne...

Over, jobs, a growing economy, economic prosperity makes everybody happy, and if is the great equalizer that's really what he needs to be focusing on is bringing jobs back to the united states, getting people back to work, keeping them working, raising wages, creating opportunity, expanding the economy for everybody. if he can do that, he's going to get reelected in 2020 by a bigger margin than you can imagine. that's what he's trying to work on. >> joe? >> this other stuff is a distraction. that's why i'm for an independent prosecutor in order to get this truth out. they didn't do anything. l...

Doubt. >> yeah. >> you're choking, choking on words. >> this thing is not going to go away, though until -- >> you realize at one of those meetings when he went to the convention that he used campaign funds to go to the convention. he was acting as an adviser and a surrogate on behalf of the trump campaign at the convention when he met with the russian ambassador. yet that meeting was a meeting as a senator and not as a trump adviser? >> don -- >> also keep in mind there is -- any th they asked an oral question and a written question, and he responded similarly in both with his answers. >> wel...

Response to al franken in that meeting. and, look, he lawyered up. it was a very narrow answer to a very narrow question. >> so if he answered the question truthfully, why recuse himself? >> well, i think he's recusing himself now because he was part of the campaign. he was a surrogate in the campaign. so if you're investigating the campaign and you were part of it, i don't think that makes any sense. i think that jeff sessions should have recused himself even if this hadn't come up. it didn't make any sense tomy. lo the only way you're going to get to the bottom of this is if you have an inde...