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They're overplaying their hand. that was my exact thought. >> the big problem all along is we in the media, we chase the latest bright thing and shiny thing. that's it right now. the really important issue is this larger question of getting an independent investigation of what the connections are with russia. >> i cut you off. you said additionally, cleveland you thought was a little overblown. then you said additionally -- >> that's right. i think the sessions meeting with the russian ambassador in cleveland probably doesn't matter too much. the meeting in washington, i mean that's a good thi...

Felt he was responding accurately because he was saying in my capacity as united states senator. >> that's not what -- >> i know where you're going but say this. wasn't just the exchange with franken. asked in written questionnaire roughly the same question by patrick leahy. several of the president-elect's nominees or senior advisers have russian ties. have you been in contact with anyone connected to any part of the russian government about the 2016 election, either before or after election day? that's straightforward question. >> can i jump in, all the defenders keep saying he was only refe...

The white house, now saying that then-nsa to be michael flynn met with ambassador sergey kislyak, also jared kushner met with the russian ambassador in that same meeting. and you are hearing about the attorney general's meeting. he was the senator back then in september. a one-on-one meeting and another group meeting. this has caused quite a stir here in washington and from sessions after his testimony he also received a questionnaire from senator lakey in which he was asked a written -- specifically a written questionnaire. asked about russian ties and anyone connected to the russian governme...

The white house, now saying that then-nsa to be michael flynn met with ambassador sergey kislyak, also jared kushner met with the russian ambassador in that same meeting. and you are hearing about the attorney general's meeting. he was the senator back then in september. a one-on-one meeting and another group meeting. this has caused quite a stir here in washington and from sessions after his testimony he also received a questionnaire from senator lakey in which he was asked a written -- specifically a written questionnaire. asked about russian ties and anyone connected to the russian governme...

That raise a lot of questions in my mind. >> we want to get you on the record as well with a direct response to your written questionnaire, which is also, as you noted, under oath, asking sessions whether or not he had any contact with the russian government about the election either before or after election day. his response, one word, "no." do you believe he lied to you with that response? >> he did not give a truthful answer. >> senator, these are, again, i understand your feelings, these are serious charges. you are saying that the attorney general of the united states may have perjured hi...