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Him to say that in testimony tomorrow. >> let me ask you, i'm curious, given your vantage point, we know he's reluctant to testify. we heard that he said at that press briefing a couple months ago right now. there's all this talk out there, hey, if you read the report, mueller is clear as day, he meant this as an impeachment referral. clearly in the court of public opinion that's a disputed concept. if you're mueller and that was your intent, is there any temptation to come out and make it clear. >> there's a tempemptation. he's a very measured man, very smart man. there's no doubt in my mind ...

Director of the fbi, served as fbi top intelligence official and greg brower top liaison to congress and also a u.s. attorney. thanks to both of you for being with us. bob, let me start with you. you know robert mueller better than anybody on the show tonight, all of the doj guidance, he should stay within the bound of the report, his apparent intention to stay within the bounds of the report, his reluctance to testify in the first place. you know him well. do you expect any surprises tomorrow? >> no. thanks, steve. i don't expect any surprises. it doesn't surprise me at all he asked for guida...

To try to tease out more from mueller as to what mueller himself thought, whether he thought that the president may have crossed the line into criminal misconduct but was prohibited from saying so because of his doj restrictions. i suspect the democrats would be better advised to take the former roo former route, to get mueller to tell the stories about what he found in the report, and hope people will see this for the first time and start thinking about the report as a whole. >> you talk about building this narrative, getting inside mueller's head and what he was thinking. betsy, i want to pl...

There about that page 117, it does say, as you quoted, he declined to be voluntarily interviewed by the office. but the interesting piece i find about that is that the next two lines are then redacted. so, josh, does that imply that the president's son took the fifth but also what questions do those redactions prompt for the reader? >> yeah think there it does imply that there was some effort get him to testify and he probably declined. whether he might have been issued a grand jury subpoena is unclear. it seems like at most times mueller was trying to do this investigation without going throu...

Material here to work with. >> that's exactly right. that's been their calculation throughout. they saw what happened to bill clinton in the '90s where his popularity only increased after impeachment. there's very few scenarios where a republican controlled senate would remove this president. you can make an argument impeachment and lawmakers have done that, set aside the politics, it's the right thing to do. you're voting your conscious to do that. that's not pelosi's job. pelosi's job is to hold the kaub together and in her mind come up with the best solution for the party now and going forw...