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>> i've been on book tours in both the united states and the uk, and i think the uk understands how to talk about class a lot better than the u.s. i think in the u.s. elites, very broadly, have been pretty clueless. i will give you an example. the american elite earning $200,000 often refers to them as a upper-middle-class. one of the messages is if you're earning $200,000, you are not middle-class. you are about the top 6%. the true middle-class in the united states has an median income of about $75000. year. >> why do you think the experience and the policy needs of the group you're talking ...

>> and americans. >> nobody competitive, nobody is. >> and children to have. >> well, let me bring in jonas here to get his take on this. >> help me, jonas. >> what would you say to amelia, perhaps. >> what i'm saying, i'm not denying the roll of small business, but these are dwindling. if you're in a union, 95% likely you're working for the government or company, more than a thousand employees. >> yes. >> trucking, and there's not a lot of small business with a high union labor force to start wso ng i don't it's that big of an area. i'm not denying, again as an employer, you want to keep wage...