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Statement we're learning about from the "new york times" has a little more reality any it than certainly the first initial responses that the public was getting. you remember when this meeting was first reported on. so you remember, kate, at first we heard this was simply about russian adoptions. that's t.it. >> i actually have the statement. he says, it was a short interruptry meeting i asked jared and paul to stop by. primarily discussed a program about adoption of russian children and no follow-up. now is saying clearly he went in initially to find out if hillary clinton was fit for office....

Want. i would just call it as the fastest one to come up with a good verdict. that's what i'd call it. there is a question. is it murder? is it terrorism? then you get into legal semantics. the driver of the car is a murderer and what he did was a horrible, horrible inexcusable thing. >> can you tell us what you're feeling about your chief strategist. >> i never spoke to mr. bannon about it. i like him. he's a friend of mine. he came on very late. i went through 17 senator, governors. i won all the primaries. mr. bannon came on much later than that. i like him. hooets he's a good man. he's not...

As today and when he tweets by himself. it's horrifying. we can tell him views are much closer to nazis and the kkk and white supremacists than to every day normal americans. john kelly can do all he wants but when donald trump goes unhinged, the american people see who he really is. we can keep shuffling staff around at the white house. it's not going to change because the president is at the very top. that's with the president. he hope he changes. i don't think that's going to happen. what's going on is deeply disturbing. >> thank you for joining us. ahead, president trump's comments on th...

Well. and there's nothing i can do to change that. >> i think your opinion is very relevant because of your experience and knowledge of him. let me ask another way. when we see disconnected incidents of violence, we often hear calls for an entire community out of the blue to say, well, because they go to this house of worship, they now all have to condemn this act of violence. this was much closer. what he seemed the come out and do today was not only dilute the condemnation but say that a white supremacist rally, not all the people were white supremacists. is it good for the country to go gow...

This bad exposed and not even have political leadership, civic leadership able to unyou unite t it. >> it takes us to the pre-civil rights era. i was talking today about how in the 1930s african-american leadership came to franklin roosevelt said we need you to take a stand against lynching and he said i can't do this because it will alienate white southerners. we have to go that far back. we thought we had to reached a point where these sentiments are universally elect preponderance of the evidence. within eight months of him taking office we have now questioning this. the only fitting respon...