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Going to negotiate, things wouldn't go well. jon: yale yeah. >> we shouldn't end up in shutdown of the government to get to the point where we sit down and talk about how to resolve the country's big spending problem and deficit problem. we're in the discussions. i'm optimistic we'll see progress. nothing is for certain yet. jon: you said the president didn't say yes, didn't say no. the white house is careful not to describe your meeting as a negotiation, but is there some horse trading going on? >> it was a conversation, that we hope will lead to productive negotiations. and so, i think there...