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It fails there. it fails on the other claimed goal which is to repurpose the money to get more green energy, more windmills and solar power. it would get more of that but it wouldn't make a significant difference to the u.s. energy economy. you only get 3% of our total energy in america from wind and solar and this is after a couple of decades and a couple hundred billion dollars of subsidies. you could double that, doesn't make much difference. paul: i want to ask you about another tradeoff that a lot of supporters argue in favor of the carbon tax. that is, it's a more efficient way if you wa...

That. he's asked for a lot of money for those things and other things including medical care, humanitarian stream, child care at the r border. the democrats don't even want to give him that. >> no. at least -- jillian has laid out the parameters here of the substance and the policy of this problem. it's got to be solved by the congress of the united states, working with the president. at this point, nothing like that is going on and, again, paul, i think it's because the president -- the democrats have decided that it is to their benefit to have trump seemingly surrounded by a sense of chaos i...

Thought, well, if we kick this dispute into the new year, when she's speak her, maybe we could get some negotiation going. it's clear that's not going to happen. how would you advise the president to deal with her? >> i'd say continue to stay at the table. i think the point he made the other day, which is when she asked for reopening the government for 30 days, he asked a simple question, are you going to be willing to negotiate during that period, she firmly said no. so she may be closing off all those avenues of. it's many of her fed wal -- manr federal workers who are impacted. i don't thin...

Needed to be said in the region. the fact we're seeing some of this movement by u.s. forces in syria, that we're looking at the beginning of the withdrawal, i certainly think our allies in the region are wondering whether these are mixed messages and whether pompeo and bolton speak for the president who seems content on leaving syria. paul: well, and in particular you had president erdogan or turkey refuse to meet with bolton in turkey and said we reject bolton's argument which is please work with our kurdish allies here and we're not leaving until you do and he said no way and now he's threat...

About despite what they're hearing from pompeo and bolton. paul: the secretary of state said we're not going to stop until every iranian footprint is out of syria. i think my response to that is well, you how, how are you going to make sure that the general solani or iranians leave? because there's no way we can really force their hand. >> that's right. and you know, i think what you'll see from this administration is the fact that they're still imposing tough sanctions. that's great but it's certainly not going to force his bay la hr iranians out of syria. that is the question that all of our...