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Rick, let me ask you a quick question, because we are kind of tight for time. the democrats have no power. the house, the senate, the white house, it's all republican now. it seems to me that these leakers are now teaming up with the press. they're the official democratic party opposition now. >> yeah.h. look, i think that it's a big problem. i want to go back to the point though that anyone who leaks is breaking the law. and richard should not minimize that. mock that or ridicule that. that is a breaking of the law. you may benefit as a democratit from some these leaks. it's a slippery slope ...

There is no if. a >> they tried to influence and destabilize america every day of the calendar year. do you know whose fault that is? siat is president obama's fault for leaving us vulnerable. let's really focus on what thesi investigations should be on, and it's obama's failure. >> jesse: that's a good point. it all happened under obama's watch.a' guys, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> jesse: next on "the rundown," whether the whether the obama administration tried to undermine the trump white house. we will take a look at that in a moment. no matter how dusty the room or how high the po...

This woman on msnbc. the leaks that have come out. there is a mounting evidence that this is happening. at what point does it become, you know what? this is the story now. not so-called weird connectionss between trump and russia. >> in the current media environment, i don't know thatro it ever -- that that ever occurs. but it is truly amazing because as we pointed out, there are all of these unanswered questions. in fact, they haven't even been asked yet about the efforts to undermine the incoming -- the transition team and the incoming new president. if, indeed, and there is evidence to sugg...