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To hand you your ass on a platter. i said, you need to wake up, girl, and come present because they are after you. >> harvey: did she wake up? >> did she ever. >> harvey: you did some mock trials and it didn't go well att the beginning. >> it did not go well in the beginning because oprah was very irritated, annoyed, angry at being sued. as anyone would be. and she was very hostile. she was not the oprah people see on television. one of the jurors said, why are you mad at us? we didn't sue you. and she looked at me, and she said, oh, my god. she talks about light bulb moments. that was a light...

List. >> harvey: because? >> i was a middle linebacker and i was a really poor one. it's really hard job anyway -- >> harvey: you got hit. >> if you are not really good at it, it is really tough. there is a tendency for those who mix psychology and religionc who know just enough to be dangerous, to use psychology as a weapon to judge. >> harvey: you, in many ways, got interested in psychology got interested in psychology because of football. when you guys lost to the salvation army team -- >> that's it. >> harvey: and you started thinking that there is a psychology of success on these teams. >...

You know, they pull certain people and robin was so energetic, and these were our name tags. >> harvey: when you met robin, you dated for four years. she broke up with you because you wouldn't commit. >> she did not break up with me. she kicked my dog ass to the curb. [laughter] she said, you are either in or you're out. you had enough time. i was like, what have i done? she's part of my life. so i said, you know, i really can never thank her enough for that wake-up call. because if i had let her get away, i would never have forgiven myself. >> harvey: one of the things that surprised me was s...

Back together, so they stand up. >> harvey: this is like "weekend at bernie's." >> they walk me out, i can't move, they pull up in front of. my house at, like, 8:30. they get me out of the car, stand up, he puts pink wrapped presents with baby clothes under presents with baby clothes under one arm, baby clothes are under the other arm, stand me at the curb and blow the horn and pull off. and leave me standing there. and i tell her, i have heard what you said, in that room, and have had my vasectomy reversed. and she just starts crying, and they say, it's a 50/50 chance it will work. she's preg...

Eating burgers. when you first heard that, and he knew that was the basis l of the lawsuit, what did you thinks >> i thought it was absolute [bleep]. i thought it was absoluteti frivolous, thought it was exploitive, opportunistic, and somebody trying to pay, get their name in the headlines, an trying to bully somebody with money into giving them some of hers. >> seriously, though, it was a very vulnerable time for me. and from the moment i met phil, i felt he was a person who could take the lead and get us out of that hot mess. >> harvey: she was constantly talking to you about "why me, why am...