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In the bronx. i think that's making the leap. >> well, that's okay. he can have ties to organized crime. they can have bank fraud. that's just fine. when somebody testifies against your client, you go out and you look at what's wrong with them. why are they doing it if they're not telling the truth. he's doing it because he's afraid to testify against his father-in-law because the repercussions for that will be far worse than the repercussions for lying here because now he gets reported in new york where the crazy anti-trumpers applaud for him. he goes and testifies against some people, let me...

God almighty, that would look like my business was gigantic. so the president gave the accurate answer. >> so i -- >> and i believe -- i don't believe anything he says. you're focussing on this minutia. the reality is, yesterday buzzfeed published a story that was scandalous. it was horrible. they should be under -- they should be sued, under investigation. they said the president of the united states counseled someone to lie and the special counsel -- >> i'm trying to get to the bottom of that. >> the special -- >> let's get to the bottom. i want to find out the truth. >> that's because you h...

Organized crime. they ain't going to be applauding for him when he goes into a restaurant in brighton beach, brooklyn. believe me. i did this for 15 years of my life. this guy is lying. it's disgraceful that you're relying on cohen. it's disgraceful that -- >> i'm not relying on cohen. >> and buzzfeed got in trouble yesterday. >> i'm not relying on cohen for anything. i'm just questioning whether it's appropriate for the president to single out a private citizen -- >> it is. >> whose son-in-law -- >> he's not a private citizen. he's a private citizen lying about him trying to get him impeached...

That's the way it worked in the nixon situation. congress was moving at the same speed, basically, as the special prosecutor. mimi, some fascinating elapsed times here in this case. yesterday buzzfeed reports that five hours went by -- five hours of silence from the white house after they disclosed their reporting to the white house, and they're asking for comment from the white house. and the white house does not say a word. donald trump had -- knew what buzzfeed was going to write for five hours. he didn't issue or offer one word of denial. and then we have the 24 hours -- the 24 hours that ...

Investigation. of course, they don't want to ruin or, you know, harm the investigation. but there is no -- there's no logical reason why hearings couldn't be held. and under the constitution, that is what impeachment is. it isn't throwing donald trump out of office. it's allowing hearings where the public can start to understand the narrative of what was done, potentially to our election, to elect donald trump and what he did while in office. >> yeah, and as we're going to discuss later in the show, that's the way it worked in the nixon situation. congress was moving at the same speed, basical...