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I have the documents. they gave him a script. if he reads from the script, no jail. if he doesn't read from the script, he gets maybe five years in jail. >> so you are -- >> so what's the temptation to read from the script, if you are a guy like cohen who was a lawyer taping his own client and lying to him about it. taping chris cuomo and lying to him about it. stealing money back when he was fiercely loyal. in this transaction just uncovered, he kept $37,000. >> so let me just ask you, because you -- >> the guy is a complete scoundrel. you can't believe him. i used to like michael. i'm so dis...

Process is all about. but don't take it as, you know, gospel because guys have pled guilty in my experience, to things they didn't do in order to get out of worse problems that they actually did. >> in your experience, you mean as a -- you mean when you were a prosecutor, you accepted plea deals from people -- >> i never did. i'm talking -- darn right i would never do that. i'd never do what they did with cohen. campaign finance violation that as a matter of law is not a campaign finance violation. >> don't you think -- >> i think that's phony as a $3 bill. but that gives you -- let me finish ...

In the bronx. i think that's making the leap. >> well, that's okay. he can have ties to organized crime. they can have bank fraud. that's just fine. when somebody testifies against your client, you go out and you look at what's wrong with them. why are they doing it if they're not telling the truth. he's doing it because he's afraid to testify against his father-in-law because the repercussions for that will be far worse than the repercussions for lying here because now he gets reported in new york where the crazy anti-trumpers applaud for him. he goes and testifies against some people, let me...

Pleading guilty to something means michael cohen's telling the truth. he's got every reason to say what the prosecutor wants him to say. corsi, they are offering corsi a deal right now. if he says what they want him to say, he gets probation. >> they are offering corsi a deal? how do you know this? >> because he's suing over it. >> okay. >> i have the documents. i have the documents. it was leaked to me. i have the documents. they gave him a script. if he reads from the script, no jail. if he doesn't read from the script, he gets maybe five years in jail. >> so you are -- >> so what's the temp...

>> your position on michael cohen is long established. you've just been talking about and suggesting that the special counsel is not on the up and up. that he's trying to get people to say things that aren't true. i want you to take a listen to something president trump said on sunday -- >> he wouldn't say that. in fairness to the special counsel, they would say, they -- maybe they believe that's the truth. that's what the adversary process is all about. but don't take it as, you know, gospel because guys have pled guilty in my experience, to things they didn't do in order to get out of worse ...