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Government debt and spending is a problem regardless of who does it? >> if it's not an investment, yes. we can agree -- >> dan: why are we going with this payoff? >> we want agree. >> dan: always a caveat. i love debating with you but there is always an out for you. we'll do another round here. but again, it's clear at this point we are never going to repay this debt that we can monetize it, but we are borrowing observe amounts of money. is there ever going to be an end to this if we don't take a stand? some, republicans wanted a trillion dollar infrastructure bill at some point. eit is insane...