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To go down this avenue. >> dianne feinstein, who is a seasoned politician and who knows her way around knew exactly the same thing that dr. ford knew, that once her name became public, and if she had asked judge kavanagh about it, it probably would have become public. it wouldn't have just been between the two of them. and other people would have known. the people accompanying him would have known. dianne feinstein knew the exact same thing dr. ford knew. once this became public, once this became known, she was going to be the subject of a negative smear campaign. she was going to be the subje...

Of harassment. we are seeing what has happened to her where this woman is in hiding. her children need security. it's an awful fate for somebody that comes forward in the midst of a political firestorm like this to make an allegation, wage an allegation like this. >> before you acquit dianne feinstein of blame, we presume because it was sent to her office that either she or her staff, they are the ones who leaked this in the first place. so i think you're being far too -- >> we don't know that. >> what we do know is this. she held onto this information and she played this card, this slanderous...

Heard from rod blagojevich, and they have more information to work with. he was on, as you pointed out for seven days, and they had plenty of time to hear his version of events and the defense for the most part is nothing ever happened that they talked a lot on the phone, and rod blagojevich told jurors, look, i never made up my mind about the senate seat or a lot of the other alleged schemes and i had not committed myself to any course of action and no harm, no foul is what the defense was trying to argue. >> and stay with us for the rest of the house, nick, and we will come back to you as th...