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Boy on an '03 springfield rifle that is shown quite proudly in front of the school and additionally, our own state flag has two rifles on it, as well. the firearm is merely an implement. it's a tool -- how it is used, you know, perceives is it a weapon or implement to feed your family? that's done on an individual basis. these acts are done by people that removes the human element out of it. they want to blame an object instead of put in personal human accountability in evening. >> well, you make some points there. i don't agree with all of them but i respect the fact you have come on the show...

Weapon or implement to feed your family? that's done on an individual basis. these acts are done by people that removes the human element out of it. they want to blame an object instead of put in personal human accountability in evening. >> well, you make some points there. i don't agree with all of them but i respect the fact you have come on the show knowing my position on these things and an interesting argument. to you alan and ben white, thank you both very much. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you. we come back, the government says more than 50 terror plots have been foiled by surveillance...

Weapon or implement to feed your family? that's done on an individual basis. these acts are done by people that removes the human element out of it. they want to blame an object instead of put in personal human accountability in evening. >> well, you make some points there. i don't agree with all of them but i respect the fact you have come on the show knowing my position on these things and an interesting argument. to you alan and ben white, thank you both very much. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you. we come back, the government says more than 50 terror plots have been foiled by surveillance...