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Because you're going to lose it. don't create a national crisis around this that will only wind up with you caving. so just do it quietly, early, the sooner you do it the less attention and less people notice that you -- that all of this happened. >> so the only thing i would say about all of this, some of us have this sense of relief when we dealt with the fiscal curve. and now with the debt ceiling, if we blow through these without a crisis we're all going to you know, wipe our brows and say that was good. you know, politics was working. no, wrong, the fact that we have been dealing with the...

Could actually simply look rational when they chose to do it. >> right, exactly. they -- if they had never made a big deal about this to begin with then they wouldn't be in this situation. now, obama kind of aided and abetted them because he wanted it to be the debt ceiling leverage that he kind of wanted this grand bargain in 2011. that never happened. since then, he has been consistent saying i am not going to mess around with the debt ceiling anymore. and good for him on that, you're right. as newt gingrich said, wisely and moderately and reasonably, he said don't pick this fight because yo...