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Then it makes everything else a little easier, a lot easier, for me. >> how depressed did you get? >> there was -- it was pretty bad. it was bad. it was pretty bad. >> what's "pretty bad"? >> it depends. and i always say that because of different stages in my life. when i was a kid, they told me that i started developing at a very young age. they said my chest was too big, so they'd bind my chest for performances. not my family. this was the very first show i did, "good times." they didn't tell me they were going to do this. they just wound up doing this. right there immediately it's telling m...

Kid that internalized everything. some people -- >> michael called you dunky. >> yeah. >> that's not very nice. >> no, but what -- no it's not, but when it's coming from a family member who means it out of love, it's just fun, they don't realize what it could be doing to you. and especially being the baby -- you have a big family, a lot of brothers and sisters or you don't even have to have a big family but being the baby, a lot of teasing and you get it more so than anybody else. >> do you think in your case it affected you more than any of them realized, that it was all -- >> yes. this is wh...

Me. >> how depressed did you get? >> there was -- it was pretty bad. it was bad. it was pretty bad. >> what's "pretty bad"? >> it depends. and i always say that because of different stages in my life. when i was a kid, they told me that i started developing at a very young age. they said my chest was too big, so they'd bind my chest for performances. not my family. this was the very first show i did, "good times." they didn't tell me they were going to do this. they just wound up doing this. right there immediately it's telling me i'm not good enough as i am. how bad did it get? that's kind of...