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When he found out, but that is enough to sink a presidential candidacy and probably enough to have your position as governor to be unsettled and compromised because you did not tell the whole truth. >> and that is an important point, because we cannot say it enough that we don't know what the purported evidence is, and until we do, no assumptions can be made, and ben, i feel like you and marc agree, and that is rare -- >> well, he is right for once. >> yes. and when you look at where this is coming from. >> well, you have to take it a huge grain of salt. this is a guy who pleads the fifth, and...

One son is an attorney. the other spouse is an attorney. we know that at the beginning of this jury deliberation process what happened was they asked for all of the exhibits, a listing of all of the exhibits. to me, that indicates somebody who is going to analyze and take the time to go through that. and what better person than somebody who is married or has a son who is an attorney and knows that whole process. >> laura: the details, alan of these jurors. one of the jurors has -- used to have a conceal carry permit and her husband currently has a conceal carry permit. now, that doesn't tell y...

Attorneys and their family, one son is an attorney. the other spouse is an attorney. we know that at the beginning of this jury deliberation process what happened was they asked for all of the exhibits, a listing of all of the exhibits. to me, that indicates somebody who is going to analyze and take the time to go through that. and what better person than somebody who is married or has a son who is an attorney and knows that whole process. >> laura: the details, alan of these jurors. one of the jurors has -- used to have a conceal carry permit and her husband currently has a conceal carry perm...

One son is an attorney. the other spouse is an attorney. we know that at the beginning of this jury deliberation process what happened was they asked for all of the exhibits, a listing of all of the exhibits. to me, that indicates somebody who is going to analyze and take the time to go through that. and what better person than somebody who is married or has a son who is an attorney and knows that whole process. >> laura: the details, alan of these jurors. one of the jurors has -- used to have a conceal carry permit and her husband currently has a conceal carry permit. now, that doesn't tell y...

Professor at washington state university who has studied the history of christianity in the united states. professor sutton's op-ped piece in yesterday's "new york times" entitled "why the antichrist matters in politics" tells you everything you need to know about this. everything that will make you understand what that crazy heckler yelled at the president last night. first, what or who is the antichrist? >> and for conservative christians they've developed this notion of the antichrist out of the reading of the bible and a couple different places. mostly the old testament but also the book o...