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You can love someone and you not -- and if you haven't experienced love and you don't have the tools to move forward, then you're going to have complications, period. and if you -- you can either address it or until it blows up at some point and for us, we chose to fight for our love, for our family, to give our kids a different outcome. you see, you flknow, to break tt cycle. to see a different outcome. it's not this celebrity. we were never a celebrity couple. we were a couple that happened to be celebrities. we're real people. >> i love that and i think that's so poignant because they're sa...

Away from him is if he became part of the swamp. as i watched like the past few days play out i have wondered if he made the conscious decision like i said i was the deal maker. if i get in this this is not going to help me. i think he wisely stepped back, i think, in terms of -- if we want to talk about him wanting to hold on and he let the establishment go at it and make their mistakes and shut the government down and he was kind of nowhere to be found. well, it doesn't play into his deal maker, you know, profile that he has built up about hi himself. it keeps him out of the entanglements of...