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Ultimately, who knows. but think about it, you can't enforce the subpoena against the sitting president of the united states. no court in the country that will hold the president in contempt. i think the same argument would hold true with the subpoena. >> but in 1997, the supreme court said that bill clinton had to give a civil deposition in a civil case. the paula jones case, so civil cases are lower in priority always than grand jury subpoenas. i think this is a pretty easy legal issue that he will be required to testify if the case winds up going to court. >> this is not a civil case. this ...

Medicare in congressman paul ryan and differences as well. that will be out shortly. if that was the only bill that came to my desk and i wasn't able to pass my own plan, i would sign it. >> joining us, former governor of minnesota and candidate for nomination for president of the united states, tim pawlenty. good to see you again. good morning. >> let's start with that comment right there because you're getting a little bit of heat saying you would as president sign the paul ryan plan. those who jumped in said you'it getting rid of medicare and given the damage we saw by the ryan plan, would ...

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And they understand that or weighing that and bouncing that. >> rudy giuliani made sure that prefers that the president does not testify. >> he said that he was pretty blunt about it, he said he never wanted his clients to testify and as u.s. attorney, he felt that witnesses who did testify were walking into some peril and he could exploit that and take advantage of that as a prosecutor. so he comes at this from a skeptical place where i think well aware of the pitfalls this presents. >> something interesting in your article. you reported on a practice session that president trump's