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We have johnathon and tracey and john . jill joining us. wayne we'll start with you. is it time for a national lottery to pay down the federal debt same time. >> a question why not. if it works with the state governments. why not the federal government and make it a big and huge one and any little niche that you can knock down the deficit is good. >> okay, but john, what happens to the states. we are finding out that california is signing up for powerball because of the revenues that they get. is it bad for states. >> it is really bad for states. wayne has much chance of winning the lottery as...

Three kids going to college. we have an economic issue. kids are coming out of college and no job to pay off the loan. their disposable income is lower. they will be living at home . can't bay the first car or tv or anything. the only reason they have loans, college hike tuition because they get free government money to pay for it. >> john than what does that do to the economy over all? >> it hurts the economy. any time the government involves in ethanoyl or kid's education or health care or housing it lead toz destruction. the pearl student loan went up five percent. 85 percent of that is hel...

Serious other thans right now. >> we are throwing big nbc out there. three trillion over three years and why not hundred years and call it 30 trillion. we are not making a team it is not making a dent. >> wayne, i know you are a huge fan of congress. it is what they would probably blow it >> john's point it would rob the states is not true. we know since vegas had gambling by themselves other states had gambling. it is comitition . and secondly. every step that you can take to reduce the deficit is good.

With illness at this time. the investigation is ongoing. if it's food, the likely culprit when it comes to e coli is always ground beef but it could be something else, it could be lettuce, that's been a culprit, spin kwrafp, as well as bean sprouts. a couple of quick tips. there are people using cooked meat and raw vegetables. cook it to 165 degrees, if you're giving vegetables to a young person, it's probably better to cook them. megyn: thank you john. the white house is refusing to appoint a special investigator to get to the bottom of a flood of intelligence leaks, leaks that general jack...

In the end, you and i know and john knows, this comes down to the acceptance speech at the convention and three debates. when it is as close as this is, that is what will decide it. no one will remember the ed rendell or cory booker or, what is the etch-a-sketch guy's name? i already forget. >> remember that spit ball speech, cory booker is working for his job. thank you ed rendell, thank you john. coming up, where are the democratic surrogates that should be out there supporting obama? why don't we hear from the loyalists? where are they? we will find out. the nbc wall street journal poll, th...