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True about something, that would have kind of a weight to it. when the president says, no, that's not true, there is no e presumptive weight. it's been entirely given away. so in a he said-she said against his word, it's almost impossible to blend the authoritative credence to the record that you would normally give out of charitable reading. >> i think it's because he's running out of people who will lie for him. >> that's right. >> and that's why the memos matter. i mean, the connective tissue between what you just said and what you just said is there are a bunch of contemporaneous memos -- ...

>> the only people t officers themselves because they know what actually happened out there. and the entities conducting that investigation, specifically the city of baltimore where they may be conducting a investigation, the federal government is conducting an investigation. right now we don't know -- >> let me interrupt you one second. we want to get to the police conference from the baltimore pd. let's take a listen. >> to give you an update where we are right now. last night the curfew went into effect at 10:00 p.m. we've had 35 arrests. of those 35 arrests, 34 were adults and one juvenile...

And the occ to impose those rules? >> well, i'm not speaking on behalf of the republican party. i'm one of these pitchfork guys out there in wisconsin. if you talk to these people, they -- >> who are you pointing the pitchfork at? the pitchfork people are the tea party people. and we're upset with what's going on on wall street as well as what's happened within the political class. >> can i push you one second, though? i agree with you, the folks who are in the tea party should be as outraged as i was and you know, still am, back when i was ag. but they're a political movement they support in ...