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Process, and most importantly not intimidation. i know you don't agree with it, sue, but is that at least the logic of it? >> yes, and of course we want order at the polling place. the only disorder that we're seeing at the polling place is the election judges calling out people and saying wait a minute, what you are wearing doesn't meet the criteria to be allowed to vote. >> andy, i know you also had a button please i.d. me. i understand that you are a proponent of the need for voter identification. the trial judge said that that perhaps was intimidation of people, they might think, uh-oh, i'...

>> meaning what? >> so meaning that we want you to first start by avoiding the attacker if that is possible. get away from the person who is trying to kill you. if for some reason you skptd, you are in a classroom, you hear gun fire in the hallway, you are worried you might be shot, best next option is deny access to your location, close, locked door, barricade it. that sort of thing. and as last resort if you end up in close proximity to that person, next best thing is to defend yourself. that person is trying to murder you, you should not let them do that easily. >> let me ask some practical...