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Something of a practice in some cases, where the police would give this person the ride of their life, on the way to the police station, that there would be that possibility of serious injury, a roughed and ready ride. >> yeah. they call it a lot of different things, but, yes, that has been kind of the story of what happens. that really doesn't have to happen in this case, chris. because if you're -- if you are in that wagon and you're handcuffed and you're shackled, you are not going to be able to balance yourself with movements, sudden movement, sudden stopping, sharp turn around the bend. t...

To ensure his safety? >> is there any precedent, i've heard whispers that this was something of a practice in some cases, where the police would give this person the ride of their life on the way to the police station, that there would be that possibility of serious injury, a roughed and ready ride. >> yeah. they call it a lot of different things, but, yes, that has been kind of the story of what happens. that really doesn't have to happen in this case chris. because if you're -- if you are in that wagon and you're handcuffed and you're shackled you are not going to be able to balance yourself...