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And if you listen and you hear then you can start a conversation when you say we agree, but sometimes it means we have to change what we say and sometimes you have to expose that the other side's not got an answer but if you don't listen first... and then it's ok to agree and it's ok, there are things which the government does which are good and things they do which are bad, and in politics the only things which last are the ones which become consensual. the things which george osborne and i agreed on are things that last like the minimum wage. let's reflect on a few... before we come back to ...

Was it also a journey looking at yourself thinking, why didn't, not necessarily i, but why didn't the system do more to deal with this crisis? what is it about british politics which means a knowable problem, a crisis that people on your side of politics or on the other side of politics have privately talked to me about for a quarter of a century but have not managed to solve. i very consciously went into it wanting to ask the question why has it taken politics so long to sort out social care? and in the very first conversation i had with the bbc, with expectation, months before we started fil...