And that's very clear. so, obviously, vatican wants to have more involvement in the religious development in china and they are working together to make that happen. and the number of catholic, i know it's going up, but i didn't do the research to know exactly how much it went up, but we have seen more churches in china than ever before... right, so when bishop zen, the venerable 90—year—old retired bishop of hong kong, when he says, "we are now at the bottom of the pit, "there is no freedom of expression any more, "we are becoming like any other city or territory in china," bishop zen is ...