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Of speech, or if i feel that they are being homophobic, or they are controlling, trying to control women's reproductive rights or any of those things, or being politically reactionary and i'm afraid it happens in all of these religions. so, in a sense, you wanted to make a stand by drawing the prophet mohammed. i wonder whether it was worth it because of course the police then said they uncovered a plot to kill you. it never reached a courtroom, but they said there was a plot out there. you've certainly received death threats alongside all of the legal battles with zuma and everything else. ha...

Specific one i want to talk about. i guess you may know what it is. it's 2016 and a cartoon where you portrayed zuma as the it's 2016 it's a cartoon where you portrayed zuma, but you protrayed him as the organ grinder in a visual representation of the classic thing about the monkey and the organ grinder, and the monkey on this occasion was actually the national prosecuting authority chief, a guy called shaun abrahams, who is a south african man of colour. you portrayed him as a monkey. 0k. how could you do that, given all the associations that everybody across the world knows about how white p...

Corruption charges, he suddenly got a rape charge against him. under cross examination, he admitted that he actually knew that the person he had supposedly had this consensual sex with was hiv—positive. and then they said to him, "so did you use protection?" no, he didn't. why not? because he thought he didn't have much chance of infection. now, jacob zuma had been the head of the national aids council when he was deputy president, so this was really absurd. and then it went further. they said, "what did you do next after this supposedly consensual sex? " "i had a shower." why? to lessen his...

The case went on for four years right into his presidency and he was determined to go for me. i confronted him about it on radio and he said something very funny, he said, "i saw your cartoons, you are invading my dignity," which is a very strange and interesting version of events. but that's what he saw i was doing. but i wonder whether you were given more pause for thought not by the fact that zuma was infuriated and took you through the legal system, but many other south africans were infuriated — not least women in south africa who basically said, how dare you, as a man, particularly as ...

At how you did this. the point is you didn'tjust do this shower drawing once, you did it time and time and time again over many months — in fact, over many years. here's one example. you cannot imagine a man made to look more ridiculous than this image of zuma with his giant shower nozzle over his head. were you, in a sense as a cartoonist, trying to destroy his credibility? of course. i think he was doing a damn fine job of that himself, but i'm then elaborating and doing more with things that he actually said. what a cartoonist is trying to do is to somehow encapsulate for people almost wh...