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>> it would be a great çhour. >> great debate. >> there's a world view advocated by huntsman, which is a legitimate world view, joe i think shares a lot of it, which doesn't make it more or less legitimate. >> makes it right. yeah. >> but when you actually unpackage it and he talks about it in the context of bringing resources back home, nation building at home. the actual savings he's talking about, how much we would save by keeping 10,000, 15,000 troops in afghanistan, winding down iraq. he can't cite the cuts he wants to make. he can't cite anything -- the question is, are we talking abou...

That 757 would be him at 8:00. and that 245 would be me at 9:00. different çhour. we're outrated by "deadliest catch." that's about fishing. we get killed by a show called "the closer" about which i know nothing about except it kills us in the ratings. and we get smaller ratings than wwe wrestling. all of those shows also kill mr. o'reilly's show in the ratings as well as everything else on fox, as well as sponge bob, hannah montana, forever, which is understandable. they are more watched than the o'reilly factor which have which

They're heartless at every corner. matt, good to have you with us tonight. i appreciate your time. >> thank you very much. some final pages in the playbook. carl robe says the biggest mistake he made in the white house was not sticking up and refuting charges that george w. bush lied the country into the war in iraq. in the "wall street journal," rove says president bush did not intentionally mislead the nation. sounds to me like bush's brain is the professor of revising history. last i checked there were nom wmds and we were told we were 45 minutes to a mushroom cloud. and finally, tiger wo...