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I think that there's always room for a good joke that makes a substantive argument that will breakthrough in a way that a dry policy speech, not that the president gives those, would ever breakthrough. >> the thing is that the great president's like roosevelt and kennedy and reagan were always really good at this. they used it like the president then will trump to win the fight with their rivals. >> i think this president does that too. he's often used humor on the trail and in the white house to make a point here. >> i respect you a lot for what you've done but most importantly trying to make...