Priorities and move on to more active. Action in ukraine. At least, i hear a lot of talk about this in a variety of russian circles, from leading experts to just ordinary people. If there is any political pressure on the russian leadership regarding ukraine, it is not to end the war, but to achieve success. And i think that with such pressure, the russian leadership will not be able to put such pressure, such mood to ignore whether the Biden Administration understands this, or whether they think that this is just some kind of invention of people who want to force the west to retreat, unfortunately, i do not see any signs that senior members of the Biden Administration understand this, or in congress. I think that few people understand this, the choice is formulated as follows either the ukrainians will move forward a little, or they will move forward a lot, and just a few weeks ago they made a big fuss about the fact that the ukrainians allegedly broke through the russian line of defense, and that now everything will change, now things will go well, and then suddenly everyone suddenly fell silent, i dont know why . Happened, maybe the offensive in this sector failed or something , so everyone thinks that russia will constantly lose, retreat, and the ukrainians will attack all the time, the situation is actually the same as on the western front during the first world war, although there was a moment when the front suddenly collapsed and the allies began to advance, and therefore now, probably, the same expectations, and there are countries such as poland, slovakia and so on, they are gradually becoming disillusioned with ukraine, and such a collapse of the front may occur, so its time to start negotiations, but unfortunately, the leaders, the Political Leadership of the United States do not understand this , there is mitch mccon, a fairly elderly congressman, who recently wrote he mixed everything into one lump, and hamas and ukraine, biden is considering ukraine in the context of the election campaign, he believes that since the United States has disgraced itself in afghanistan, then at least in ukraine somehow to win back, in fact, this war only has a negative effect. Christian, thank you, and one last question. Former and possibly future president trump, do you expect him to become the republican nominee if he does, do you think its possible for him to win the general election given all his problems. You know, both are possible, if you rely on the question of Public Opinion, then it even looks probable, because most likely it will be trump who will come from the republican party. And if he does candidate from the republican party, then he will most likely defeat biden, and the main thing is that he will win in pennsylvania and michigan , but our elections are held by state, it seems to me that people are still tired of trump and no one wants to have elections again trump vs. Biden, i personally prefer the Landing Party, but a lot will depend on the state of iowa, where in january the prime ministers will be. And it may turn out that the Landing Party will defeat trump there, then, it seems to me, everyone is a little tired of these things that are happening now are carried into relationship. From all these lawsuits. And he recently said some strange things about the fact that hezbollah acts very competently, they are very smart people, but netanyahu is behaving very unreasonably. In short, it seems to me that a lot can change in january, but so far trump is leading on issues of Public Opinion . You mentioned michigan and pennsylvania, states where its unclear who might win, and those states, in terms of gaining enough electoral support, they are central, did i understand you correctly that trump has an advantage in these two key states. The people who live there have always liked the way trump speaks, these are such factory states, where there are a lot of enterprises, a lot of industry and they really liked trump, when trump was president , in these states in agaya, things started to get better, so people there support trump in general, and he will need to win in all three states, and also win in those states where he usually does. Republicans won, but in the last elections they unexpectedly voted for biden in states like arizona , we will also need to see what the situation will be, christian, thank you very much, it is clear that nothing is clear, but it is obvious that trump will be in the first place difficult, and secondly, that at least this possibility , his return to the white house cannot be ruled out, thank you very much again, take care of yourself and. I hope that we will see you again soon on one of our broadcasts. It was a big game well meet again next week. Minorkey discussions about loneliness, hope and despair, unhappy love and experiences that will resonate in the soul of every person, these songs can be considered as an expression of the russian sad soul. Hello, today we have gathered with thoughts about russian rock, as a cultural phenomenon about the spiritual search of russian musicians. Hello, dear friends, vyacheslav, i m very glad to see you, what i read is from a modern article dedicated to russian rock, yeah, id like to be like this warmup question, ask you how ready you are to agree with this, i would say that my aspirations now to talk about happy love are more than about unhappy love, but you are talking about now, so in principle, can we say, this is how the author of this article believes that a large segment of rock compositions is an expression of the russian sad soul, nikolaevich, well, in some ways he is right, of course, because, because if you say, so to speak, dig deeper and say, that sadness is about god, that is, about god, then this is probably so, well, this is the wellknown state of the russian person , thats because he never. Imagines himself in some kind of ideal, and so he is always sad that he did not achieve something that he could to achieve, at least looking at the icons of the saints, yes, well, that is, this is sadness not about the imperfection of the world, but in ones inner state, the imperfection of the world is also probably in some way, of course, because this is also sadness from a person , he knows that once there was paradise, everything was there, even the animals were talking, and then suddenly. Such a story, and what is the transition from this sadness to the joy that you just talked about, well, i would say that it happens with difficulty, because thats what alexey is talking about speaks about those losses that occurred after adam, the first man , left heaven and came to this world, so to speak, to nourish it with his own efforts, of course, with gods help, but. He lost so much, including things connected with nature, with nature, yes, if there in paradise, his animals knew him perfectly, they understood each other, moreover, there was, so to speak , their patron of the earth, yes, he named names, yes, he gave them names, then as soon as he left the gate, and as soon as Archangel Michael with his sword closed the gate, the animals stopped recognizing adam and they directly told him, you have lost the image of god, we dont recognize you, they began to growl at him and are still growling, listen, he called rock musicians, theologians and friends came, but thats all me after all. I want to torment you a little, you know, maybe ill ask you maybe to step back a little, maybe even from the current internal experiences , although we will definitely talk about them, but i would still like to talk to you, you know, how in science there is such a method of included analysis, yes, when , because scientists are usually already detached, yes, included analysis is when a person himself is engaged in some process and he describes it, but i know, with the courage of an amateur, i want to ask you this question, if i understand correctly, from a russian rock has two sources englishlanguage music and this russian literature and, more broadly, russian culture, thats how much you can agree with this formulation of the question, well, if you can say so, the russian lesson is comfortable with these two parents, well, regarding the englishspeaking aspect, alexey, i think, will tell you very well now, maybe hell say it better, including english rich experience, but still russian rock has it, isnt it not a russian phenomenon . And you know, of course, the phenomenon itself is not russian, but lets say i was lucky enough to be friends with such a person as frank zapa, yes an absolutely brilliant musician, here he is he loved russian music enormously, for him sorovinsky was something there, yes, and he constantly reminded us of this, this is the second half of the 21st century, the composers of those whom he called a mighty hummock, especially mussorsky, who, in fact, probably inspired strovenska the most, and in fact, even while in the United States, i suddenly found out that the most played composer in the world, chikovsky, i did not know before that, i was so surprised, here i am my friend asked whos in second place, shes a classic studied, she says, in second place is storinsky, in third is rakhmanov, this is the playlist of the radio station. In america , you know, yes, thats why, despite the fact that we took a lot from englishlanguage rock, this is, of course, a colossal school , colossal material, and in their own way the depth of the depths, they took a lot from our russian music, thats why this is all for a reason, its not just the cycle of water in nature, but this is really what you remember, our beloved marina andrevna zhurinskaya wrote about rock . When as appearance world culture, right . In my opinion, this is the natural next, so to speak, stage in the development of culture in general, just like literature, well, you can call it, who, so to speak, adopted it to a greater extent from whom, this is also such a complex process, it is in some way then continues to a degree, and well, as for modern music, we can say that everything there has been very much crushed due to. Those currents of various stylistics, substylistics, that is, this is a branch that already goes simply into subtle music, which is so specific that they are so to say, they gradually dissolve themselves in the air, because if you look at the architecture of the structure of a tree, yes, when it first emerges into such powerful branches, then into twigs, into leaves into leaves, here actually. The structure is the same, ill definitely talk about it ill ask, again with the impudence of an amateur, but i want to return to the topic of literature, because in my understanding, russian rock, of course, inherits russian literature, i was listening to you just now, you said about literature, i remembered what dostoevsky said us about the responsiveness of the russian literature, and in the famous pushkin speech, that this is the genius of pushkin, that he could be, in contrast to this, its interesting, without inventing anything, if, this theme of the responsiveness of russian literature, it is preserved in russian rock, we can say that russian rock, it is responsive, but, i think, yes, because we are so closely connected in general with the canons of literature that in my opinion, i dont know where else, the text is so developed, for example, in combination with music, but for us this is definitely a very important thing, and you will agree that. It seems to me that this is its such a slightly cliched perception that russian rock is more about text or is based on text, and western rock is about music, so ive just heard the opinion that this is a very simplified perception, especially western. There is such a thing, yes, few people know that in the english language there are more than 100 thousand words more than in russian, and shakespeares word is more than pushkins word, so, but russian is rock, its nowhere without a word, just, you know, if there is no word, then there is no russian rock, but in english rock, the word also meant a lot a lot, there it was conceptual and cult, and the performers were those who used the word masterful, such groups as pink floyd, the same ledzerin, for example, i was a child, i did not distinguish ledzeprin from deple, i liked both of them, but being , living already in the United States, i suddenly discovered that for a long time there were some giants, gigantic, and de peupol is such a strong pop, rock band, yes, and when the nineties came, such a movement as alternative music appeared , here its already impossible without a word it happened, there everyone paid attention to the word, although there too, he was compressing the words and it was not clear what he was saying, but nevertheless , deciphering the words, everyone understood that he was trying to Say Something important, but in our case the musical part probably suffered more often , in general in our country, precisely from the point of view of rock, here, well, at first, when there was the soviet union, everything was generally prohibited, i just personally went through it, then people just didnt become so strong. Therefore, the russian lesson probably has a great future when they start analyze the entire past, very seriously, precisely from the point of view of russian music, then they will shovel all of dostoevsky and then they will be able to do, so i want here with you, what is the name from this place in more detail, you and i once talked about this topic, and then this thought stuck with me, including, forgive me for its nonobviousness, yes, you said the best russian thing. Ahead and if it can be combined with the depth of dostoevsky, yes, then this will be what we are all waiting for, and that consistency yes, thats how much, well here it is again i dont want to offend anyone, but in my understanding, well, dostoevsky is symphonic music, in any case, not necessarily, the same pink floyd is this kind of strippeddown dostoevsky, yes, yes, very fragmented, so they tried, so to speak, to dig into such philistinism, and then, well , actually they achieved it . A certain effect, of course, is millions of times wider, i really liked the statement, i forgot his name, this is an actor who received five or six emmys, its like in tv series its such an oscar, so he came to orthodoxy, he he says, i discovered dostoevsky, i often have to play terrible people, some kind of scoundrels, so i suddenly realized that dostoevsky wrote about terrible things from a position of light. Yeah, this is very difficult, its very difficult, and this is a huge strength, for rock music its just a colossal field of activity, and you agree that everything is still ahead for russian rock, theoretically its possible, but then, how events are developing diplomatically reacted, no, but im just watching how it develops music, contemporary. It is quite possible that at some level this will take on a slightly completely different breakthrough, another turn will occur, and this will be a different level of quality, dont you think that this is still too binding, this is a proposal specifically for rock music , or maybe im wrong, here, in my opinion, this is a good level that allows a person not only to develop, but even. In a sense, we are talking about the spirit, so to speak, the form of the word, a certain aesthetics , some, about how the thought itself is formed, yes, how deeply all this is, really deep, in relation to something, yes, what is happening now, with him and gogol, and pushkin, and years of tolstoy, in spite of everything, with gogol i even feel like its simpler, i cant. Explain it, but so intuitively, somehow it doesnt arise for me, nothing sticks out to me, gogol, rock, i somehow understand it all somehow, gogol is punk, in general, in my opinion, it has such a specific language, especially from the current point of view, and why, when i i read, for example, classics, yes, literary ones, i notice how rich the language is, how everything is carefully structured there, how everything is formulated there, thats it. Gogol, he has a very unique language, a punk among the classics. The battle of the sexes, how a mans heart differs from a womans, the oldest porridge on. Rutabaga porridge. Varicose trophic ulcers unique treatment methods. The program to live healthy helps everyone. Tomorrow on the first. Mancacher whiskey is a product of the stellar group. Vyacheslav butusov, alexey bilov, im vladimir ligoida, were talking. Russian rock as a cultural phenomenon, i know what else i want to talk to you about, about a personal journey, this is the first question, this is what you think, this is the spiritual quest that we obviously see in the life path of musicians and in their work, this is connected to more with the generation, because this is a time of search, but the end of the eighties, the beginning of the nineties, and not only musicians went through this path, or after all, this is what you are doing, it left its imprints, this is more the reason or its both what do you think is different . I think its just early or late in the life of every person there comes a moment when, well, he begins to think more about what is happening in his life, how it happens, you begin to understand, so to speak, well, seeing over the years how this world is developing, to ask certain questions and in general, to be honest, for me the way of human attention is that we increasingly notice over the years how alarming the world is, if we take , for example, childhood and school, yes, i didnt care much about that, whats going on around except that in the International Panorama one could see some short. Well, but i can say that this did not concern me at all, not only because it was not interesting to me, it was as if i was protected by some strength, some kind of cover, such, you know, a conditional cap, such a mystical one, and when you begin to think how to protect yourself, so to speak, so as not to dry up completely, in this raging world, then. Of course, you wonder how this can be achieved, and in fact, this is the way to god, but the most difficult thing is when you understand that yes, there is a way out, there is salvation , this is love, this is the path to god, yes, as anthony of surosh said, at the last judgment, it will become clear to us that the only thing that was valuable in of this life is love. So when you realize at this moment that you need to go to god, im not even talking about improving to such an extent as jesus said in his sermon, like our heavenly father, but to be perfect, at this moment, you are already terrified other things, that this whole field needs to be uprooted, and this is very a painful process, uprooting stumps and nonlineages. Its not like that, just like that, it crashed a little, its very complex, laborintensive and painful, and after that you can, so to speak, plow this soil and sow it, but if i understand you correctly, you think thats all it is connected with age and generation, and not rather than with what you did, i thought so until some time, until i was faced with the fact that i saw young people who in our time it may be even more difficult in a sense, because more intense, more tousled, yes, because the passions are right on the surface, and so at that moment when i saw these young people, i was a little shaken in my theory, this has nothing to do with age, well, its good when so to speak, we can be shaken in theory, alexey nikovich, but what do you think, now i m just talking about personal search, was it more connected with time, what happened . I think that god determines his own path for everyone, and so he leads everyone along this path, because when i came to faith, when, probably, the second such important watershed came for me, it was a meeting with a saint, with father nikolai guryan, well, with a great elder, so i had a lot of questions, but one of. Of them, since i heard a lot about music, about rock and other things, it was in the bowels of the church, so i went up to the priest and said, father, but my craft is pleasing to god or not, so. He smiled , said anything, so he knew that i had positive and negative experiences, once upon a time when pargolko appeared and we we made different works, here and there we tried to go deeper, something we had was just straight up rockrock, but its true that along the way we began to change very much, a lot, and changed, changed, until the very end, until the group means so, functioned in its entirety, we changed all the time. So when the first album came out, there was no internet and letters poured in from all over the world, i saw these bags, they put bags, bags, bags, it was just one day, and they told me, read this pile of letters, so i started read, there were letters from all over the world, and in almost all the letters it was written like this, it was about just one song, thanks to you, this song helped me not commit suicide, it was my first positive experience, although. I didnt change then, rock enrol stayed, i was still flying like a meteor , for a long time, a few more years, now forward, and later there was a negative experience, and this is all part of the journey, thats why i was just embarrassed and i needed to ask this question, and i asked, well, look, this is a question, it s even, today we remembered gogol, it may not be a coincidence, yes, because gogal experienced this inner one without any fate. Conflict and i think, heres your question, my craft, maybe he said creativity, i dont know if god wants it in some other way, it s not at all a fact that he answered it, and or it s definitely not a fact that he answered like that just like you, yes, rather, he said, my craft, my creativity, nothing is needed before, i m deliberately emphasizing now, yes, that is, this conflict, how it went for you, is passing, maybe still. But he is, yes he is, and so am i i think it will somehow develop, alexey was just talking about these things, and i remembered the famous painting by bose triptych, called the garden of earthly pleasures, and you see, the 14th15th century were strict times, then playing music was already considered already a sinful thing. And although in general, by our standards, we were talking about completely harmless things, just playing musical instruments, notes are also depicted there, so it seems to me that in this case this is a measure that a person chooses for himself, of course, thats as much as he likes, and if you if you really want this to happen, you just need to cut off any blasphemy in yourself. Any heresy, any foul language, you just need to cleanse yourself, everyone did this, including revolutionaries, but i dont think that gogol didnt understand this, he understood, of course, but why did he have such a decision then, there, i dont want to now go into biographical details, but he says, well, this is a sine wave, this is what is characteristic of humans, this is human nature. And i think that maybe i wont be next to him it turned out that there was such a person or he was not looking for such a person, although we used to often go to optina and even lived in a monastery , now women are not allowed there, but before, before they were allowed in, and we went to night services, they let me read the memorial, so those who came there, and there was gogol, there was dostoevsky, in fact, they got there, they got there, they came in. From the fat one, right . Yes, i think that maybe he did not ask the most important question from one of these elders, and about his creativity, perhaps everything would have been different, i just to say, swearing is such a terrible thing, yes, thats why i just want to come back to you, thats why i asked about generations or whether its related to creativity, because thats how it seems to me, god knows, maybe im being deceived, but it seems to me heres my path, for example, its quite standard, that is, at the end of school this is russian literature, this is dostoevsky, how you first start thinking there, then it s just the end of the eighties that russian philosophers, whom we dont know, begin to publish knew, and you begin to read about the gospel, about the church there and the gospel itself, and then at some point, in my life , it was just a man, we had a teacher, by the way, from the conservatory there , he taught the history of music, and he generally in between times , he told us about the music of ancient india there or something from. Steaks there may there latin america topinatsli chilitli, this is the whole story, musical instruments, i still remember the name. And we asked him something about something, the word church sounded, but there was post, now i understand that. He himself was such an absolute neophyte, he says, well, i think that of course you dont eat white bread there, but black bread there, and it wasnt what he said, yes, that it was such a neophyte twist, yes, in that he said that well, well, whats the point of reading if you dont go there, if you dont live in this house, thats how he is, and this path, it seems to me, well, as i say, the path of such university boys, with you it was probably different somewhere, it was all the same or similar, we sometimes had to to go down to hell in order to. So to understand that there is such a bottom , so probably, after all, yes, another way, somewhat, well, this is a strong phrase, i think that i came to church quite late in general, because it was my fate that for 15 years i lived in krasnoyarsk , where i was born, and ill honestly say, then i tried to remember at least one church, i didnt remember it, purely physically, i just didnt meet a church on my way, that means either i didnt see her, that is, my perception was so dulled, yes, or either they it really wasnt there, which is possible, because the city is quite new, plus , so to speak, the consequences of the bolshevik destruction, but nevertheless, here i came after college, after. School, after even after working as a specialist, an architect, and for a long time i perceived music only as an amateur activity, as actual entertainment for myself. Alexey nikolavich, your phrase that we had to go to hell doesnt let me go, this is how you live now with these memories, that they are in your life today it means you are trying. No , they cant forget it, i think you need to remember, you need to remember, so to speak, not to be forgotten, this is all for a reason, its all part of the journey, so the robber had to be crucified next to christ, in order to understand who is hanging on the cross next to him and shout to him, lord, change me to your kingdom, when you come to the kingdom, this is also. Also a terrible path, he killed people, he definitely visited ado , before that, thats when i was the first to enter heaven, today we gathered our thoughts about russian rock, as a cultural phenomenon, vyacheslav butusov, alexey belov, im vladimir, and we continue , i want to return a little bit to the search for generations, because among people, yes, that means, in different spheres of culture, at the same time, when here we are. We were looking, we were all looking, yes, there were these searches in the cinema, now we have a film about balabanov coming out, it was a glorious anniversary, everyone gathered at my house, they gave interviews, quietly, hello, hello, but here they are celebrating, no, no, glory, what are you talking about, i said, the very top, to the left, oh, sorry, there is, man, experience, yes, uh, interaction with him, thats how you remember it now . Firstly, alexey and i knew each other for a long time, starting from college times, then he moved to st. Petersburg, then i ended up there, yes, she read the world like a novel, and he turned out to be, i once gathered a crowd in a cafe, a huge cafe, extras. Free, everything, absolutely , a walk in the park without a dog can become too expensive for you, your mother teaches you by heart, the morgue phone number when shes not there, at home for too long. And all this time, so to speak, we watched each other in the sense that he had a cinematic career was being built, and i did all this, it all happened before my eyes, he naturally, so to speak , observed what was happening with us, at a certain stage i already had thoughts, well, somehow, what we need each other. So to speak, to help, just on this path, yes, on the path to god, i may not be a very good, so to speak, assistant in this sense from the point of view of eloquence, to pronounce the necessary words, yes, but i am one way or another otherwise, in general , i tried to talk to alexey about this topic, but sometimes he for a long time there was a categorical attitude, because he was very passionate about cinema, for him it was a whole world in which he lived, ruled, Everything Else had, so to speak, applied significance to this, as it seemed to me, but as you see, in the end its like this to say, my own path, relatively speaking, and professional. And human, he nevertheless came to this topic, i tried for a very long time to persuade him to film some kind of fairy tale or Something Like that, well, relatively speaking, yes, i even had options written for various stories for synopses, and every time he told me that im not ready yet, im not mentally ready for this, i want to, but im not ready, well, as a result , heres the last one. This is actually such a parable, by and large all this is already happening there in this fencedoff bell tower and the film itself, the name of the film and the essence of this story, what i also want, Everyone Wants in the end , like a fool, the cross almost fell, a heavy wooden, huge cross, so im waiting for me, someone will support. Because i might fall, but a crowd of people is following me, and im in in general, it somehow went like this, precisely because of that, i could have fallen and thats it, but because of the people who followed me, this is a strange story, yes, i know, its how it closes for me, you said it correctly, how this is to be combined with what we are talking about, which is why for me russian rock is a continuation, and russian literature, let it inherit russian literature. Because russian literature is what gives us a space of meaning and language, yes , we speak with these images, we remember these heroes, and the same thing with russian rock, yes, here are your songs, they enter our lives, here its interesting that soviet cinema was the cinematography of our language, yes, postsoviet, as far as i am concerned, maybe many will not agree with me, but by and large, these are the films brother brother two, these are the ones that entered the language, it seems to me that here it also comes together, but these searches are some kind of internal and well, the result, yes, when something made by man becomes part of the language, of course, yes, but i also wanted to add that in addition to literature, it is still of great importance this is exactly what symphonic music has in recent years im actively interested in this, and i can say that in academic music , in symphonic music, there is a lot of pressure that. Sweeps away even worse than rock music, you know, for its time it was cool rock, just yes , yes, time is forward, this is just a concrete example of the fact that this is a bulldozer that you cant fight against, just, look, we said about the Bright Future of russian rock, we said about symphonic music, but young people, lets be honest, doesnt listen, not everyone generalization is unfair to someone, but still today they dont listen to rock , as they did, once upon a time, yes, some time ago, so i may be sharpening, yes, well, on purpose, but i dont see it modern russian music, continuity with the great russian literature, with the great russian culture with russian rock, i dont see it there, im wrong, at one time such a terrible word of music appeared, it appeared in the nineties. The word format, then everything began to be divided, because before that everything was somehow together, so if you take it there, lets say, there are the seventies, there is rock pop music and some kind of disc , it was all together, and then it began to be divided into formats, and then trends appeared, rap didnt just appear, you dont need to know anything special , you dont need to study music, especially there, making yourself these beats, so to speak, there, and so on. Say what comes to mind, this is it, and it s also supported by the industry, this is it, on its own it wouldnt did not last long, this is also a stage that indicates that everything should begin, so to speak, to develop in a new circle, and this will not go anywhere , and over time, it will be those seeds that are the most tenacious that will sprout, that is, into the more interesting ones, which have some meaning behind them, but still one way or another otherwise, music, and fundamentally as a manifestation of culture, literature , and this connection is this symbiosis, they always return to them. You are amazingly diplomatic today , there is a connection in russian modern rap, what should you call it, with great russian literature, do you see it or are you just you hope there are more opportunities for literary expression than in rock because there you need to broadcast something constantly and there are many opportunities, but another thing is how it is used little unfortunately. And you and i today, of course, we had so much theological and cultural and musical, dare i say , dimension, but i know, in conclusion, what i would like to ask you about, since we talked a lot today about russian literature, if only you should have advised our contemporaries, foreigners, to get acquainted with russian literature, well, through some work or work i, i wont say there, name three, there, yes, but thats the first thing that comes to mind, lie on your heart, what would you advise first of all, i always easily im ready to name pushkin, he has both poetry and prose, yes, this is one circumstance, the second circumstance is that he reached such heights in poetry and which are already called fairy tales, but in poetry, well, actually, in general, pushkin is our everything, yes, yes, alexey nikolavich, what would you advise, well, i would probably, rubanol by dostoevsky, of course, but not everyone can handle it, yes, this is a man who discovered it for himself, said that he writes about terrible things from a position of light, not everyone can probably understand this, but nevertheless less, i say in some interviews. That i just had such friends who, uh, they are such cult musicians, there and still there they are cult musicians in the west, now we have been to such very interesting gatherings, where there you come to such a house, there, ah, people walk around in clothes from the 15th century, so the hostess sits down piano, everyone came just for this, they Start Playing neoclassical music, how interesting it is, then they Start Talking , it turns out that one of the. People, such a presenter, screenwriter, hollywood, i didnt even know he wrote so many films , so we were just talking to him about literature and when i said the word dostoevsky, and he suddenly changed in his face, he changed and somehow became completely different, he bowed so suddenly, i think hes bowing to me or something , i bow so much, i said, oh, dostoevsky, yes, and, of course, if. people who understand this, yes they understand, sooner or later , after all, i was listening to you just now, i remembered, i recently watched some tv series, an american detective series and there are two detectives sitting in a car, one opens the glove compartment, there is dostoevskys idiot, he says, good book, that doctor says, dostoevsky, the book is good, that second time he doesnt even say anything to him, he just looks, says , well, what should i explain to you, thank you, dear friends, i am eternally grateful to you, we have today there were cult musicians, alexey. We were gathering our thoughts about russian rock as a cultural phenomenon, thank you. Hello, this is the podcast of schrodingers cat, and i am its host, the chief editor of a Popular Science magazine, who is also a cat. Schrodinger and my cohost cat bari, he is my cat and not schrodinger, and we just talk about complex things; its difficult about simple things. And our guest today is konstantin severin, doctor of biological sciences, professor, and a person who is currently working on a project with