Curation orders have been issued in Southern California as when guys continue to spread a huge wildfire threatening the coastline our fighters are warning the socalled thomas fire near Santa Barbara could become the worst in the States History those are the headlines the news continues on al jazeera after the nobel interview keep it or. Twenty seven to a year of multiple missile launches provocative statements mocking tweets and by we read we will have no choice but to totally destroy north korea a standoff between the two leaders. Both predictable the. Words that many fear could bring the world to the brink of Nuclear Conflict as against this backdrop the region Nobel Committee awarded this years prize for peace to the International Campaign to abolish Nuclear Weapons on the floor of the bush for a u. N. Treaty bank robbery more than seventy years since the world witnessed the catastrophic power of Nuclear Weapons. Despite the horror caused by the use to date thousands of warheads remain stuck old across the world many of them ready to be just minutes movement. No nation has laid out plans to eliminate their arsenal instead momentum is growing to modify modernize build more. Often thank you. Hello world into the nobel interview in aljazeera special live from oslo im james byrd and im fully back the Nobel Peace Prize has a long history dating back to nineteen zero one fast forward one hundred fifteen years and right here just a few hours ago the twenty seven thousand award was accepted by icons executive director beatrice been with her was such soko thurlow who experienced first hand the atomic bombing of hiroshima in the next hour well hear from other survivors of that attack in one thousand nine hundred five will also delve deeper into accounts work now some of our audience members here in oslo will also have the opportunity to ask questions and you can also be part of a conversation where streaming live on Facebook Twitter and you tube connect with us using the hash tag a. J. Nobel bitterest and congratulations to you and i thank. You this very whole just a matter of hours ago that you on behalf of i can were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize what does that mean for your campaign it means everything to us this campaign is full of people from all over the world whove to earth tirelessly on this issues for many decades for seventy decades there are seven hits and its just it means a lot because its a its a tough issue its underresourced its being mocked for being naive or idealistic so to get this kind of recognition means so much to our campaign or some part organizations all over the world be chasing the ambassadors of the u. S. U. K. And for. And did not attend the awards ceremony earlier today these countries we jacked the u. N. Nuclear weapons ban treaty that new organization has been recognized and celebrated for how do you view this now and how do you as a Grassroots Movement push back against these powerful countries that said on the Un Security Council permanent members with veto power how do you push back against them we go and heard their weapons even without them we have mobilized this whole rest of the world against Nuclear Weapons and that is having an impact on them whether or not they want to join this they have boycotted all these meetings and so its not surprising that they are not here they werent here today but at the same time we are focused on the majority on the states that also concerts norms that will impact the states in the end were not going to wait for the last one to disarm before were prepared to up as were going to go ahead and do it now and then drag them with us beatrice im now going to play devils advocate and some in the room might say thats appropriate phrase is a phrase i put to you some of the arguments in favor of Nuclear Weapons and i think it was the british wartime leader Winston Churchill whos one of the first to pursue this argument he said it was the sublime me but in the arguments this Nuclear Stalemate the risk of mass annihilation is actually whats kept the world more secure in the last seventy years what you say to that i dont agree that first weve seen huge consequences throughout the Nuclear Testing we have survivors here from the protest areas who can tell you what they have suffered because of these weapons tests but also weve been so close to catastrophe throughout the cold war and now decades after when when documents are being declassifies were finding out more and more about accidents near misses and irrational precedence and just look at today i mean we also had a war in iraq there was fueled by threats and weapons of mass destruction we have conflict with iran weve heard. Smear and north korea right now look at this situation between north korea and the United States this does not feel safe this does not feel likes peace of the biliteral rather Nuclear Weapons are fueling these conflicts and making the threat of war much more likely but lets use the case of north korea because we know some of these states got their Nuclear Weapons through secret means what happens if everyone gives up their Nuclear Weapons and yet someone doesnt they retain this capability who then is there to take them on how do you place your new Nuclear Free World where theres huge amount of verification programs we see right now with the iran deal for example or very very strict verification programs they can really be able to control i dont think that is going to be the problem the promise going to get countries to want to disarm when we can get countries to want to disarm we are going to fix the technical side of this but right now we have a situation where a country like the United States or u. K. Or france or china or russia has spent the last seventy years arguing that Nuclear Weapons equal security and of course a vulnerable weak state like north korea is going to listen to that and want the same we have given these weapons power we see them as powerful but when we stop doing that we can also get disarmament arbiter is a question here from one of our audience members are kerrys to remark e whos a University Student at u w c nordic your question center please. Thank you my question is why do you think about the criticism that. Nuclear bomb treaty is too idealistic or i think that the truth is first of all it is realistic because it exists it is here but also it actually takes reality into consideration it doesnt focus on abstract theories or perception or what we hope Nuclear Weapons will achieve but it looks at facts what happens when you grow up as i used to many of you heard of talk about today what happens when Nuclear Weapons are used that is the reality there is no preparedness to deal with the consequences there are no national or International Relief agencies that will be able to provide adequate help to survivors the only solution is to prevent this from happening and as long as they exist they will it will happen only when we put out a call on a car on twitter earlier asking people what they thought of this treaty asking them if they thought the International Campaign to abolish Nuclear Weapons project treaty is realistic and i want to give you just the results of that poll now thirty seven people thirty seven percent of the people who responded say yes it is possible fifty eight percent say no it is too idealistic and five percent think otherwise and an interesting question here from one of the people on social media on twitter the user at another mind who says they cant be abolished who do you expect to be the in force or what does an illegitimate question in an important one through what mechanism is the treaty in force what organization steps in to enforce it. Well first of all it is realistic because we have prohibited other weapons and gotten rid of other weapons chemical weapons biological weapons lammas in custom this is we are moving to a world where indiscriminate weapons that violates the law for war are no longer acceptable military policies and of course its going to require a lot of respects and we have the i. A. E. A. For example who has detected problems in the past and while these details are going to be solved when the nuclear arms states are joined in this treaty perhaps your treaty brings a little optimism but lets look at whats going on in the world and you have north korea which is far in missiles testing its Nuclear Capabilities you have a war of words between north korea and the u. S. And then you have iran and President Trump threatening to torpedo the Iran Nuclear Deal look at this moment in history how dangerous is it right now very dangerous i think were just as the cuban missile crisis really close to a new to this us for and of course these threats are increasing their militaries are also getting prepared. Being responsive to these kind of threats which also increases the risk of an accident the risk is always above zero which means that if we keep Nuclear Weapons forever they will be used. Interesting when you gave your acceptance speech at the podium behind me i was listening very carefully you talked about leaders with the bruised ego you talk to one impulsive tantrum away you were referring to President Trump werent you. Tell us what you think of but the current president of United States the man in charge of the Nuclear Football the man with the last launch codes and his temperament i think is a very dangerous situation i think the more World Leaders actively threatened with Nuclear Weapons the more you also undermine this kind of norm that we had so far that oh youre not supposed to go there. And it just really increases the risk of the use do you also see that coupled with huge investments in modernization programs a new Nuclear Posture review that is rolling back another steps in going in the wrong direction to developing new types of Nuclear Weapons more useable Nuclear Weapons and addition of course also openly mocking diplomacy as an alternative and that is one of the most dangerous thing i think to to see in the goal shared Agreements Solutions to problems Peaceful Solutions as something negative and that bombing killing civilians would be better stronger its absurd you would have been critical i think of any u. S. President and their Nuclear Strategy but donald trump is different and just days before you got the news that i cam was going to get the Nobel Peace Prize you were on twitter referring i think to comments attributed to the u. S. Secretary of state you tweeted donald trump is a moron. Can be trusted to think they can use Nuclear Weapons is moronic to rely on Nuclear Weapons a thing that provides us security is moronic these weapons are threats they are not keeping us safe theyre keeping as unsafe. Ok beatrice another question from audience here in oslo and this is lena keller whos a masters student at the university of oslo peace and up in ask your question to beatrice thank you the Member Foundation has recently admitted that in the past that made investments in companies that produce Nuclear Weapons what was your first reaction when you learned about this and did you ever consider not accepting the award a very good question. Divestment of Nuclear Weapons production is a really big Campaign Issue for us and i think that thats also one of the things were hoping that this treaty would cheap by prohibiting assistance to production of Nuclear Weapons we can tell banks and Pension Funds and other Financial Institutions to stop investing in the production of Nuclear Weapons we have had great conversations with the Nobel Foundations im going to meet them in stockholm soon and they have assured us that they are they have a policy and they have said that they are apparently some gaps in their policy but they have assured us that they will Work Together with us and our colleagues in packs that do they dont bank on the bomb report on making sure that there is tight that is watertight investments that there will be no money from from the Nobel Foundation invested in weapons production measures but doesnt it all come down to the fact that war is lucrative the weapons industry is look at lucrative banks invested some five hundred billion dollars in Nuclear Weapons between twenty thirteen and twenty sixteen alfred nobel who created this peace prize made his fortune from weapons and explosives how pragmatic are you about this and how do you make Nuclear Disarmament bankable through the treaty because we have seen from other treaties that when a weapon is prohibited it becomes bad business investors stop putting money into cluster munitions production for example because the majority of the states in the world has proved it its no longer sound Investment Strategy to invest all this money in building a weapon but its going out of fashion that is being prohibited now lets talk about the human side the human aspect and with me now is abacha and jane madison whos a former senator from the Marshall Islands which were the site as you know of multiple Nuclear Tests by the u. S. In the late fortys and fiftys the most devastating one on bikini atoll in one nine hundred fifty four we sent our ad like to ask you a question and i think our audience here want to know your experience. Your story and the impacts Nuclear Tests have had on your livelihood because very often when we talk about the impact of Nuclear Weapons we think of the victims of hiroshima and nagasaki but you and your community has also been affected by the Nuclear Tests conducted by the u. S. Senate style affected youve been and the impact its had on your livelihood. The people of wrong of were directly affected by the i had region bomb that exploded in one nine hundred fifty four one thousand times greater than hiroshima and nagasaki bombings the bombers poison our land and force our people to live in exile and it out also cause so many lives are lost ones and many families do suffer in today but you have received reparations from the u. S. It was inadequate very inadequate no one can expect and put a number. Amount of money on a on a life and so and the damages that is been lingering in its far greater than what was to made it what are you expecting out of this treaty that. First of all is justice and that. Human life is more important and everyone deserves to live in peace and. You know with the human rights thank you so much and thank you so much i began jane madison a former senator from the Marshall Islands here with us. I would now like to introduce to our viewers around the world to survivors of the atomic bombings to he says theyre known from hiroshima and nagasaki to rooney to nocca and to sheekey fujimori. Thank you so much for being with us here today they will be speaking to us through their translator thank you so much to. You are the last generation of survivors do you worry that in a few years we will forget about hiroshima and nagasaki how do you ensure that it is that the legacy lives on. In. This one i think you know. That the. Disappointment of that they could not. Reconnect first of all the Nuclear Weapons which exist today are of a completely different scale a completely different size and level to those that were used in hiroshima and nagasaki we must not never allow us to forget what happened and never allow them to be used again what do you remember of that fateful day of august ninth one thousand nine hundred forty five when the bomb hit your city and nagasaki you were just what twelve years old and i know its very painful to relive that day that moment but if you could share with us your experience what do you remember about that day witnessing. According must begin today. Such that will be. Again you know mario mushroom very much throughout the heart of machine gun the nuclear bomb was dropped on nagasaki with absolutely no warning we had no idea that it was coming and all of a sudden this one bomb was dropped from one plane and it just turned into a huge bright light which just immensely covered everything for jeanmarie son you were in hiroshima tell us about your experience and also why was it important for you to see here today what is your message to the world of the missing you. Got you. Talking to some of the offices in new york. To see how johnson we got not the whole of the walter mitty dream. House you trust. Us in all four of them on your own. I myself was only one year and for a month old at the time that the bomb was dropped in he does seem so my own direct memory of what happened then is not strong however every year on the anniversary on august sixth my mother would gather me and all about the Children Together and tell us of what happened the story of that day for jeanmarie son to mark a son thank you so much for sharing your experience with us thank you for the round of applause you are to provide. For our viewers who are going to. Be interested in really humbling listening to them much do you worry is these events as they inevitably will do pass beyond living memory that the world will not be able to connect with this horror in the same way yeah i think its a real concern i think that we all were to survivors to heed to the call of art now we have many people have ignored their stories for a very long time we have one final chance to to prohibit and eliminate Nuclear Weapons before they are gone. And i think that we really need to make sure that they get to watch that and i know the many survivors were extremely happy to see the treaty on the prohibition of weapons but we can do more and we must do more for i have a question for you about you know the Different Countries that weve mentioned weve talked about north korea who talked about the u. S. And all these other countries that have Nuclear Weapons what what do you do with a country like israel that is not officially a nuclear power. Well i think its not a very well kept secret but we have campaigners also in israel and theyre doing a great job in trying to also increase transparency this is a democratic issue and the people of the country need to know what what what the state is doing on their behalf but on that particular issue you mentioned democratic states and so on the argument can be made that the treaty would only work in a country where theres a vibrant Civil Society where theyre solid Democratic Institutions where the governments are held accountable what do you respond to that i mean would such a treaty and this movement that youre trying to to gal garner from the Civil Society work in a country like russia or north korea absolutely i think that no state is isolated from International Law and International Norms i mean some of them might be quicker to pick it up of course but i think that each state still has to relate to it and i think we see that with the Information Warfare the reason why theyre trying to distort reality is because even even the worst human rights violators know that its not really acceptable to do that in public so i think that these norms and pressure on state works even in non democratic countries im going to come back to President Trump again. Hes. Pacific partnership trade deal hes signaled that hes coming out of the paris climate deal hes questioning the Iran Nuclear Deal and your starting a new International Treaty it seems here at least and maybe some of the rest of the world is going against the grain of multilateral diplomacy where this is the moment where we have to strengthen multilateral diplomacy i think were seeing a coordinated attack from many on International Institutions on law on humanitarian values and we cant just give up those that still are committed to International Law to human rights to humanitarian law and to International Multilateral institutions have to fight. Harder this is where we strengthen it this is where we buckle down and say no we have to resist so your campaign as we know is about the people not necessarily the Political Class but in the Political Class in the key states the nucleus states you do have one interesting thing which is that in one of those states one of the permanent members of the Security Council for the first time you have a politician politician waiting in the wings whos an anti Nuclear Campaigner do you have high hopes for the leader of the opposition in the u. K. Jeremy corbyn i dont think theres an accident that theres a u. K. Politician though supportive of this kind of work because the u. K. People the british people have a very long tradition of being anti Nuclear Weapons and you have a huge support for this for in the in parts of the u. K. Like the scotland for example so i think its there is just a reflection on the u. K. Society and its a great encouragement and i think that everyone who wants their country to support this can or to support and to disarm and to join this treaty need to elect politicians that support that beatrice you and the members of your campaign your campaign as youve been working very very hard but you all normal human beings to fathers and mothers i know youre the mother of Young Children i want you to be honest and realistic with me do you think there will be a world free of Nuclear Weapons in their lifetime yes absolutely i think change can happen really fast once it starts and we have seen the world take huge step forwards before we have made so much progress on big social issues justice issues womens right to vote civil rights end of apartheid. Gay marriage things that people said its impossible its never going to happen and are you being naive and then it happens and it just opens the gates and it changes very very quickly surely you have some doubts youre very very optimistic that thats what we are. You have to be Beatrice Finn thank you so much the executive director of i can for talking to us fully thank you so much. And thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you very. Much. Thank you cannot. Possibly know my face and i want to hear. No thank you for what i think. Thanks love to make loans to some friends because behind the suffering a millions of taxpayers because those taxpayers never go away is a new one bone every single day a nineteen it is an Urgent National necessity that it be officially requested rationing of the support mechanism we created together because i happen to live in creeks somehow im a sinner im a bad person. Thats machine at this time. 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