Will ever be direct talks between the Afghan Government and the taliban following further a tux the army resumes offensive operations against what the president holds the enemies the taliban calls this a declaration of war this is inside story. Hello welcome to the program im boots. From the cradle to the grave it seems no one is safe from afghanistans endless war newborn babies mothers under says were among 24 People Killed when gunmen opened fire inside a car bomb Maternity Hospital on choose day while 32. 00 mourners at a funeral in one province were killed by an eyesore suicide bomber present ashraf ghani responded by ordering the army to resume offensive operations against the taliban the Armed Group Denies Involvement and it says its leaders are ready to fight back Alexei Obrien reports. I was. In the Eastern Province of manga survivors of a suspected suicide bombing at a funeral struggled to contain a grief. And anger. Was and i think it was a problem although one of. My brother is michael was standing next to me when i heard the bomb blast i saw several dead bodies on the ground and i was trying to call my brother but his phone was off after a few minutes of searching i found my brother among the dead. This attack on mourners. And another at a Maternity Hospital in the capital kabul later afghanistans president going on the offensive all but fall apart despite repeated and from the International Community to taliban have not reduced violence and instead they have increased their attacks in order to provide security for Public Places and water tax and fruits from the taliban and other terrorist groups are ordering Afghan Security forces to switch from an active defense might to an offensive one and to start their operations against the enemies of the taliban denies involvement in tuesdays attacks its fighters have largely refrained from targeting city since february when leaders signed a deal with the United States for the withdrawal of american troops and to pave the way for talks with government leaders in kabul the taliban now accusing the government of creating obstacles to peace today programme marks a milestone towards this integration of this agreement and less trusting of measures are taken immediately by all sides and by the taliban. Under the agreement the taliban was to prevent afghanistan from being used as a launching pad for attacks by other groups such as i saw and its affiliates well the damage they both suffered some. States they need haitians and the americans and. Supporters of the. Attacks against or pretty nutty pressure on Islamic State and corazon province eisel says its fighters were behind 4 bomb blasts in kabul on monday which wounded 4 people. The the un has expressed shock and revulsion at tuesdays Maternity Hospital attack which killed newborn babies mothers and nurses. U. S. Secretary of state my point peo is urging the Afghan Government and the taliban to cooperate to bring the perpetrators to justice alexey obrien for inside story. Lets introduce the panel in kabul we have pople habibie an academic researcher on peace building in afghanistan in doha sorts on barack a professor of conflict resolution at the Doha Institute and in london by skype kate clarke codirector of the afghanistan and lists Network Welcome to you all pope out in kabul 1st of all ashraf ghani puts his troops back on the offensive the taliban called it a declaration of war can we ever see a time when these 2 parties will get together around the same table to talk peace there are a few issues to discuss before going to the direct negotiation with taliban 1st off on the power of taliban in and set of understanding on 20 they have how much could have on the control of other terrorist groups and the 2nd is the the demands of taliban and also demand of the Afghan Government but it is asking for releasing of their 5000 prisoners. In the immediate before the agree to sit a time frame for starting the new season and run government is asking for. A cease fire or at least a reduction in violence and also sitting in a time frame or a date for negotiation with taliban so these are the 2 issue can be which is now a kind of barrier to starting to Going Forward to the Peace Process there is huge there are huge free huge amount of pressure on. Government by releasing the taliban like this last 2 attacks which it created which was in kabul and also in in a hurry and also in the attacks. Create a huge pressure on. Him going to meant it would be at least around 700. 00 or 150. 00 taliban prisoners from the presence of so this kind of situation which create more problem in more tension and also more pressure on government to make it to to be this harness with even with the publics public are asking for for actual steps to a peace while taliban is not Going Forward in not complying with the commitment was to meet with the United States for reduction while and like in february when they made the argument. To did their middle ground 70 attacks in kabul yes so that thats not something which can make way for our road for going to the day of negotiation or at least for the peace ok pop out assault on pople has outlined the the the problems with getting around the table before the attacks on tuesday the public is not seeing any dividend from this agreement between the u. S. Government and the Afghan Government is it going to be are they ever going to sit around the table the Afghan Government and the taliban. Yes well 1st of all around the country to all and i must say if you call it is just to hear the news of those d 2 massacres that happened in kabul d and in the gaza. There is still a chance and we know a lot of people really genuinely believe that this is the best approach each other. Or for many many and it isnt the hands of the afghans to make this work the agreement which was signed on the 29th. There was expecting a couple of moves. By. One of them was that ease of. Or 2. It actually says and take the prisoners from the. From the to. Light. No that has not to have been a spouse was expected and as a result the next rich pseudo being and into negotiation. Did not take notes and the longer this period go believe it grew to the opportunity it creates other groups as well as. Its orders to try and undermine the possibility of peace and so those attacks that we saw are very good example of what can happen if the afghans without the International Community are not able to close that gap really signing between the United States and the analysts that he or she. And the outguns know to come up with a road or sooner or stable situation and thats ok kate salt on sees there a window still a narrowing window of opportunity for these for these talks to one day take place but it seems to be all unraveling doesnt it do you see theres any chance for these 2 sides to get around the table. I think in reality it was already rattling if all these 2 absolutely some rich tax karl america her is one of the problems with that deal such as the americans and the taliban are its. Was shorter. From the beginning so that the taliban came away saying its our hearts lets call it terrorism get the afghan state after course is not going to its governments not against the foreigners its the americans clearly understood that they had written understanding that the telecoms would continue with the redactions minds secondary one up today of the taliban regime lets tax. The Afghan Government forces and the americans that theres much more restraint as they try to cling on to this idea that because the intersection of violence i think thats a confidence building rational to a looks. You look around at dance around today and the last few weeks it looks like its normal for threats and if we have pressure from the taliban its we havent had the killer attacks as they call them which is usually several. Provincial centers or major terrorist attacks that seem so it looks like a fancy to me and to be honest. Its i dont see any intentions of her are sitting down talking. The lines not those things. But i think that you can still fight with you not. Even have to at least intentions so this is the action if you know anything that if you will remain still exists and. I just dont think weve seen that in the talibans. Sort on just to quickly pick up on what kate mentioned that the intention of the taliban they the statement that they put out denying responsibility for the attack on the Maternity Hospital blamed the Afghan Government and security elements within the Afghan Government as well as i saw for allowing this attack to take place that doesnt indicate a group that wants to sit down with the Afghan Government to talk does it. Well i think you prove your argument there are 2 sides and and youll probably hear the same the same arguments from the governments they look at the taliban and its kind of accused them of the attacks by the fact that they denied it and theyre the officer that was announced by the president. During through the to the. In hysterics so. What happened in reality since the signing of that is that there has been a significant reduction in violence in afghanistan statistically if you look at how many attacks were happening and how many people work were being cheered for tonight and today we know that too but what is going on at the same time is that there was a complete shit on the ground between now. Groups between the military and abandon others a small way to try and capture advance orders in a. Position on the ground as fast as possible before they enter the negotiation at this you know arent building their case during the d early church and that has a jew or an increase in violence to d try to but ultimately i think the most important is for all sides to remain focused on the extreme and thats what their groom and a lawyer to us between the taliban and United States it has also in. Through to people. In the United States have signed almost a mirror image agreement with the government into out there through which theyre satisfied tension to draw up the numbers of u. S. Troops to bust soldiers the 1st 130 days from the sunni and they have shared their views about the need to release prisoners as a. 1st to build trust between the 2 sides now this has unfortunately not happened and again both sides have come up with excuses for why they could not really use the prisoners as fast as the agreement expected on the you have Downside Risk they see the number. In the sense that they could go back and fight to clean given the timing of these 5000. Fighters if they are released with the advancement of the spring and summer then they can go back and fight against the government theyre also concerned about some. Determines high value prisoners prisoners that will allies for their wages violence. At the same time of the taliban and they see it as a very important point for them to move forward but theyre both the United States and the holiness is responsible for this because in the text of the agreement says the United States should do its best to facilitate the release of. Prisoners and for those of the taliban bush 8. There is nothing they can hold hold up to their fighters on the ground better than a release d. They are not seeking at this stage its royal territories they were given 30 years its not going to just to satisfy. Is the release of prisoners. Popal it not might not feel like it but the has been a statistical reduction in violence is that enough to persuade the Afghan People that there is mileage in pushing forward with talks between the government and the taliban the taliban have reduced or not generally attacked in kabul for sure in the past so could there still be work to be done. One the reduction of violence doesnt mean that the. Are kidding in the one and half month 7 to a soon to 500. 00 acts in different part of the understand the 1st thing the 2nd thing is that the law in the last 2 days there oh there were 3 huge attacks in Maternity Hospital in also in about an ounce and. If taliban is saying that is not there they were not behind of this arctic then who else what. I mean who else is doing the subjects because the taliban have to show that theyre committed to a disses or theyre committed to or did sign agreement with the United States they said and the between iran and taliban in united stated they said that they will be they will bring huge reduction in violence nonso will work. With government of understand to take it or to demolish the other terrorist group in in afghanistan so if there is huge other groups like the planner or that take out the last 3 attacks the availability of this is present in afghanistan then we have to nor the Afghan People have to know to whom they are going to talk or in the negotiation negotiation table if they are if the added if there are that must trunk other terrorist groups who are able to to manage or to plan that much at the so we have to reconsider the. De plan of negotiation a taliban because now currently i mean this before this 2 days where the subject was not done people of venison was thinking that with the sign with the agrement with taliban there will be peace in afghanistan while this 2 out 3 attacks which was carried by maybe the i sell or taliban or. Someone or some other terrorist group. Change the perception of the people because people are thinking now that if this is not taliban taliban was involved in i mean some kind of fundamentalist sister provide assistance to these groups theyre brought speirs they provide other kind of support to these groups who would carry these attacks kate aljazeera we understand that Abdullah Abdullah nash afghani of extremely close to agreeing a 50 percent 50 percent split of government portfolios both of course claimed victory in the september election with Abdullah Abdullah being given the head of the Peace Process committee will help things do you think a bill is said before that releasing prisoners would be beneficial to the process. Well of course it will help to have some sort of you know fight. Card thats been an absolute disaster it happened a contested messy election and allegations of fraud to manage the presidency molting peril integrations this messy dispute over who gets just. What it is that is its difficult when again its not in such a difficult place. For course but also the grand aspirants and also this possible peace talks for the top are there really certainly 3 at a strong force and couple. Other problems of course with this dispute between the 2 thirds of the burning its its its. The Afghan Security forces who are out there trying to face the taliban and what actually has turned were full time statistics we really looked at in session looked at. What was happening rather captured and much agreement the sized says we have to continue going in areas that are controlled but doesnt that they still largely peace they are quite happy with the heroes because the general attacks from the u. S. Military and they are at the start it was in the areas that were contested west people were seeing. Extra checkpoints to tell it was a cessation of abductions attacks typically on highways railroads if this is ost places that we saw the taliban notch attacks against at least early are there was a lot of restraint from the atmosphere people to a u. S. Military so its you know i think many good intentions for both sides to scramble and taliban and at the moment its without thats i think its difficult to see the 2 thirds sitting down together and this touches that of president. Something thats not an option i think. Say that they want to talk until their side has people around this at the same time has that sitting down for in ways that really sets competence and more at the expense institutions sort on as kate says the taliban are ratcheting up the war would it make any difference if Abdullah Abdullah and ashraf ghani agreed on a sort of a unity government with Abdullah Abdullah heading the Peace Process would that help at all. It would actually i think got them up the lies is uniquely based given his Grocer Association with the Northern Alliance who were a shitty you know part of the and the disagreement in afghanistan and one against the other about him being at the helm of the peace talks i think it does help or it has to be done in a way where he is really genuinely to be able to move forward and take decisions at the moment the structure of the peace talks is not entirely clear the president has announced achieving. The genius. Is seen as representative by the. Other parties have come out and said well it doesnt actually represent all or all our interests the taliban are there so they they seem to think that theyre angry mood is not to negotiate with the government but to negotiate a dance of which the government is all you want so there are still some difficulties to overcome and. I think that the law if you is to focus is energy on this. You can make a huge difference and this is where the process or this moment in order for for it. Kate its of course Election Year for donald trump can you see any scenario where it would be bad enough in afghanistan that donald trump would would stop the drawdown of u. S. Troops because thats whats been driving of course this deal in the 1st place. Its earth so it will be x. Rated person a. President trusts intentions or actions in the next few months i think theres a certain sense should look. Both that the truth lets roll this partial troop withdrawal to be halted its all for american star. Struck us as sort of supported both. Parties talked about you know what this is why there is american support for people who hate us one of the things he said is it has been quite strong in afghanistan so i think it could go either way. And. Next year the already. If theres a letter. But more it makes the news in america. 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