Have relations between the u. S. And china soured to the point of no return chinese leaders threaten retaliate for the closure of its consulate in texas from trade to security and human rights will the super powers find room for compromise this is inside story. Hello and welcome to the program im in wrong car its being described by some as a new cold war relations between the u. S. And china and ruffling quickly in the latest spat chinese diplomats have been given 72 hours to shut down their consulate in Houston TexasPresident Donald Trump accuses them of spying and stealing intellectual property Chinas Foreign Ministry is threatening retaliation for what it calls malicious londa roselyn jordan has more. Its a scene straight out of a spy film employees at the chinese consulate in houston burned documents before theyre forced to leave the u. S. On friday the expulsion of the 60 diplomats and their families is just the latest step taken by the u. S. Against a country it considers a National Security threat we are setting out clear expertise as for how the Chinese Communist party is going to behave and when they dont who are going to take actions that protect the American People protect our security our National Security and also protect our economy and jobs even before the u. S. Officially announced the closure on wednesday officials in beijing were condemning the move for you dr daniel. Maybe this is intentional sabotage to buy National Relations and its extremely outrageous china strongly condemns it and which is the u. S. Side to withdraw its decision otherwise china will definitely take unnecessary and legitimate response the top administrations decision is the latest in a string of what it calls punishments for chinas recent actions officially opposing chinese efforts to claim the South China Sea as its own imposing sanctions to protest the alleged abuse and imprisonment of weaker muslims and what washington has insisted was beijings failure to warn everyone about covert 19 before the Virus Outbreak turned into a global pandemic. Later on wednesday senators grill deputy secretary of state stephen wiig and during a hearing about the administrations china policy i know you argue that this president and the administration has been uniquely successful with china and i know youre good at your job before the hearing devolves into a hearing bashing china in the World Health Organization for the code pandemic let me assure you blame game politics wont save american lives some analysts say that despite the administrations harsh rhetoric there may well be justification for closing the houston consulate prolong time the chinese have gone after. Telephone internet related Technology Based technology and song much of which is texas is a sensible step from. The top ministration says by closing the chinese consulate in houston its punishing beijing for its bad behavior but political opponents say the white house strategy could backfire by encouraging its chinese counterparts to retaliate rosalyn jordan aljazeera alexandria virginia. Lets bring in our guests in beijing we have wang who yeah hes the president and founder of the center for china and globalization think tank in brussels we have 2 reasons shes the director of the center for russia europe asia studies which is also a think tank out in washington d. C. Pizza rolf is a contributing editor at Newsweek Magazine welcome to you all i want to begin brussels with you. There really seems to be 3 things that are going on here firstly this is either an escalating trade war which is about to become a cold war between the u. S. And china or its a failure of diplomacy all that this is a recognition that china is not actual ally of america but a competitor. Which one is that i think its been very clear with the National Security strategy of the trumpet ministration that china is seen as a competitor and also as. Something to cooperate with but we even saw under the Obama Administration there was a pivot to asia so this is been a long. Running real analysis of what were chinas going for 40 years and analysts felt that the longer we cooperate with china china will become more like us especially once they would join the World Trade Organization everyone expected that china would actually become more like a democracy once they have more free trade but that hasnt worked out instead weve seen a strengthening of an authoritarian regime thats really were seeing under especially the covert 1000. 00 pandemic its using this as a way to further its authoritarian agenda so weve seen not just. Diplomacy as you mentioned weve seen a pivot from mass diplomacy trying to kind of cover up where. Covered 1000 cases actually began to wolf diplomacy especially in europe we see this so this is a very different tune were seeing with china before is very positive agenda both with the u. S. And with europe and other allies across the world but were seeing much stronger assertiveness throughout the entire world so 1000. 00 is affected the whole world and also chinas further assertiveness. Pushing its own agenda during this period one who are you know in beijing it seems that the u. S. Would like you to become a nice happy jeffersonian democracy but that isnt happening what is china stresses you. Thank you for for the for the show and i think that you know there are quite a bit of. You know he says danny is happening i think you know for the for the last decade i think china has transformed the beyond recognition the terms focus father china was one of the poorest country of are in the you know one of the poor country in war but the 2nd about this economy and john is the lives of the 800000000 people are the property which is the percent 70 percent of the war profiteering auction and china has become the largest trading nation was 130 countries and chinas contribution over you know one 3rd of the world g. D. P. Gross so it depends how you look at china no i mean if you see come verged well you know american wants trying to convert to be one of the one of us will who others then you know i mean. Because i think what china is doing is really caught into its own culture 5000 hes hes your history john ive never sent a soldier expeditions or any other continent china has been really largely peaceful and so china has been peacefully rives i think that its its actually contribute to the war particularly not of war economy im probably should tolerate a Different Development path system because i think the if. The end of history may not be the case so so i think that if chinese really play some positive rose to the war for example china didnt refer exploit any refugees so the cost famine i mean like im sure so everyone you know few 1000000 refugees flooding to europe thats brought about a prex. That and the decomposition and the chaotic situation so just imagine 10 percent of 800000000 people property because of that rich flood of war the world will be did you know theyre totally different so we should be happy that china is ok prosperous and. You know contributed to the war economy and you know played up the roles of course i was not perfect im still rooms to improve a lot of things to be corrected but i think what i want try to control is the right direction genocide of the current Climate Change the u. N. Which honestly hope things that cat its not the total decision as a western system but i think we should be tolerant of different a peaceful Competition Among the different models hits are often to say we have to tolerate china its going well so why the wall well i think that. You know President Trump came into office promising to end bad trade deals. And i think the feeling in america largely was that the trade relationships that we had with china and the rules that china imposed on us companies wanting to do business in china were unfair and empty competitive. And so we had an escalation of tension there but china is. Dishonesty about the one fires the spread of the Novel Coronavirus covered 1000. 00 troops on country and to the rest of the d world as caused most americans to rethink what our relationship with china should be. And no one of course is comforted by the news this week here in the United States that 2 computer hackers working working with the Chinese Government attempted to steal Coronavirus Research materials from american facilities thats led to the closure by the president of the chinese consulate in houston we expect within 48 hours china to respond in kind something out but this is not the way allies behave china is a competitor china has decided to. Throw some sharp elbows. It should not be surprised if other people throw sharp elbows back well lets have a look at that wang who yell this is about trade this is about the fact that china hasnt behaved what i think that there is also some. Misunderstanding as well as you know of course theres the perfect trait john has jumped up to 2 and chinas counter butin as well for example chinas x. Boards of the around the world has kept a warrant for a shitload for example to the for the last 20 years u. S. Information was below 2 percent before the trade with china but. You know china now is already going to be have a lot of tension there so Many Companies doing business one particular u. S. Company up we soon we well you know boy is so one 3rd of its. Airplanes to china apple makes 9598 percent of its product other china and and german for sells more crossing the. United states of course there is that those other centers all resulting prove theres always a way to correct for example china just last year pasta and united and u. S. Trade war china passed for investment war and knew all of that the super leads and the wireless i. P. R. And the forced and transfer will be severely punished so so i think that the case of a shutdown conflict used them i think you know if if theres somebody the findings actor or whatever studio lets lets lets punish those individuals or all expire individuals lot of them close down a consulate was the 1st consulate one deja vu when he opened a diplomatic ties with us decide he visited houston and watched the part of a cowboy. You know performers there are that china open the 1st half of the us were symbolic for the last quarter well another war stage and that doesnt mean were going to shut down diplomatic time and its not just about room for improvement its not just about the things that youre saying there are serious human rights abuses happening in china the internment of the weak of muslims is just one example of that the crackdown on journalists another example of that the u. S. Europe and Great Britain have long made representations that china needs to sort those things out in 40 years it hasnt. One of them got the bug not to totally. Because i think for example when she jumped the population of stoppel last took 2 decades to g. D. P. Gross in the last 567 years thats been one of the best in china and in the last 7 years as the what Terrorists Attack in the war you know people are not scared tourism is booming back to see john and i think also the Chinese Government issued a white paper and she died and then we have or if theres any people in the in the in this strain class in the you know you know you know so whole. You know kind of course is they have already graduated already so so i think they realize that maybe something can be improved and that thats not you know a problem there but i think you know the thing is that the should be more people coming to visit china i think this time around the virus stop people coming around because seeing is believing in the future of what kerry people really see coming one was see here that would be really made a lot of difference i think also also fortunate that journalists also get a mess in china their been a journalist a war expel each other so so so with we see these cities really getting the jury to them that people who are 2nd hand information and thats really cause a lot of problems pitzer off in d. C. Its that the chinese are saying that they simply have got a bad rap that theyre not as bad as youre making them out to be. Tell that to the People Living in hong kong. The brits returned hong kong to china with the promise of of an extended period of of of one country 2 systems but the demonstrators in hong kong to make it the clear that their rights are being oppressed you speak you spoke i thought rather well about the question of ethnic and religious groups were hearing that that christians are being suppressed in china. President she may want to put a happy face on on everything thats going on like the chinese have an active industrial sabotage efforts underway here in the United States i know with a couple. Not not 1st hand but. Not that i was involved in them but im well aware of them. Theyve been accused of dumping materials dumping. Manufactured products in the u. S. Markets to depress prices and drag out u. S. Industry theyve convinced countries in the 3rd world as part of their new silk Road Initiative to go in with them on on on highly expensive Unnecessary Development projects that they cant pay for that allow the chinese to seize them and then there is the problem with intellectual property china is the hub of world intellectual property that they are not behaving like good global citizens they may have signed the paris courts on Climate Change but they continue to build cult fired plants to build energy so theyre there you know theyve signed the treaty but they say show no signs of abiding by. You know theyre not theyre there they are behaving as ruthless competitors not as allies not as part of of of the established global system of economics and and and politics and they should not be surprised that people are. Beginning you know that its not just its long overdue and they should not hide behind the idea that this is all just a misunderstanding to raise a felon in brussels china is simply too big too powerful and now too rich anybody to really put it under any pressure is a fair statement well china is huge as you mentioned and unlike the soviet union they have trade relationships with the entire world and theyre one of the largest trade partners to many countries around the world so what we see now is the approach of the u. S. Government now is considered constrain meant so we cannot contain it but it could be constrained and were seeing also you know this 1000 blowback there has been a huge awakening even before covered 19 pandemic that there were also. Leading indicators of Public Opinion showed countries were turning away from china there is debt trap diplomacy not following International Rules and norms. Even when they lost the support of the German Federation of business which was very pro china because they were unable to repatriate funds they were new rules and regulations by beijing made Chinese CommunistParty Members had to be on the board of these companies they didnt know how to to work with them and after all these years 7 years if for example europe has been trying to negotiate a bilateral investment treaty or comprehensive agreement on investments they just change the name to try to show that there is some progress but this is been going on for 7 years and we just had the china summit last month and it was the worst outcome i think in a very very long time between e. U. China relations so its a real barometer of disappointment with fulfilled promises by beijing and you know china has really benefited from all these open economies a liberal International Order and at the same time theyre slowly slowly eroding these institutions we saw that with the debt. The World Health Organization with the United Nations they dont. Give the most money to them but they actually have a lot of influence and this affects everyone in the entire world so we havent even mentioned whats been happening in the South China Sea the East China Sea indian. China border so we see a great deal of assertiveness and especially in the South China Sea the slow erosion this kind of salami slicing tactics and this is large around the world so the slow slow gradual approach and for example within the e. U. Itself its unable to even make a strong statement on what happened in hong kong only 24 years 27 years since it was signed so its practically not even halfway through so theres a great deal of concern about china following International Norms they say all these nice things they want to be multilateral support International Rules and norms but were not seeing that and to see a country that has democracy be absorbed amoeba like into this new type of authoritarian surveillance i think sends a worrying trend for everybody and in addition were seeing economic coercion just 2 days ago china warned europe that if they did not embrace what way they were it was unlikely that ericsson and nokia would be able to export their products which are manufactured in china so its on many many levels were seeing this kind of china assertiveness and its almost tone deaf considering how everyone is on their guard now about china and they continue to push push push because my interpretation is that they see that the world as we can bike over 1000 and now is the time to really push ahead and if we really look at the Case Complete reckoning on china big u. Turn theyve theyve decided not to accept well wait the e. U. Was much lower because its 27 Member States and its very hard to get unanimity on these issues but the u. K. Really is a barometer i would say of where the rest of europe is likely to go. Wenger who you know in beijing tone deaf was the word felon used in brussels that the you all big you all powerful you have a responsibility paul the cost of being so big on being so powerful is engaging in International Standards you being accused beijing is being accused of not adhering to those standards and simply going its own way is it time for the Chinese Communist party to really rethink their global strategy. Well i think that the peer is the. d d d first d you know speak from their perspective about why or what i think is that we really need more. Exchanges for example i think the. Bigger thought rather uncommon for example. For the last year we see whats going on are of course there are some i think the jump you have to leave it to the conserves but the women were not able to tolerate the Chaotic Society that airport was blocked for weeks and that disco council was sold and all the shops and the license bystanders were put out gasolines and things like that even even in the us president probably not now that he was a reserve muti come to use that should he will start he even took up on that so so then what the basic law allows the Central Government and the right for the fans to obviously execute so i think the National Congress passed this law we really dont order and possibly back to our so that 7000000. 00 and mainland tourists come to our own car there im sure the stability comes under we be prosperous hunger actually is already doing better than the united 7 for the last and you say years is all a dream but well so and another one this isnt this isnt about whether the whole meeting better or not what this is about is chinas role in the world and now we are running at a time but lets i just want to ask all 3 of you the same question firstly lets begin with you when china needs to change thats what were hearing from the International Community. Well actually the whole country a change of course chinas the change of angle of the sun. Chinas been talking about that john and ours is the 2nd largest. John is kind of a regular to the model of the system chance signed climate gentle chinas and now just the world slogan of this is released a report yes china last week space contribution to the world. For the last 20 years and china is doing all those its best it can and also the china is working with your as well. All the german all the european. Companies are making more so in china than the other countries fallen in brussels is donald trump strategy the right one just quickly well that will trump even though he has a lot of people who dont support him he was right about china so he was very strong about the china threat we saw under the Obama Administration the pivot to asia and but i think under trump its been much more clear and china has moved forward very dramatically but the South China Sea the islands we built there the 7 artificial islands were built under the Obama Administration and the one thing i think that the u. S. Has learned that for example that Asia Infrastructure Investment Bank a chinese led bank the u. S. Had under the Obama Administration had lobbied other countries not to join it was open to the whole world and they all just went and joined so i think that the limits of u. S. Ability to persuade other countries so now i think other countries have opened their own eyes the scales have fallen covered 1000 has really walking them up to a lot of these issues the trends were there but i think of it 9 has accelerated it and i think that unless. Just not just us but middle powers that everyone joins together to somehow create a balancing coalition to help constrain chinas influence because were really seeing that moving very rapidly now during this this period of crisis or we are running out of time and i do want to come to peace a rough i hate to cut you off tories and to you as well who you know peter in d. C. Is it time now for the International Community to all come together and constrain china at the very least it be nice but i find the International Community. Always has a difficulty coming together to do anything i do think there is a growing awareness that. What china is now doing under president. That the time is now to be tough on china to be tough with china. I suspect that you can see u. S. Companies pulling out of china they may relocate to vietnam in the relocate to thailand any relocate career that may come back to the United States. Thats not good for the chinese i want to thank all our guests wang who you know to reason fall and peace are often thank you for watching you can see the program again any time by visiting our website dot com and for further discussion go to our Facebook Page at facebook dot com forward slash a. J. Inside story and you can also join the conversation on twitter we are at a j inside story for me imran khan and the whole team here and i dont know. I. For the 1st time in recent history saudi arabia prohibits overseas visitors from performing the hutch cover match. As cook at 19 continues to disrupt peoples lives we look at this decision and big impact on the saudi economy hydes 2020 on aljazeera. What is the price of luxury. 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