Week of it in a particular day 7. 00 to 10. 00 of the most critical in determining the likely course of this illness at this time the team and i are extremely happy with the progress the president has made there is a he had a mild cough and some nasal congestion fatigue all of which are now resolving an improving support to know that the president spent fever free for over 24 hours we remain cautiously optimistic but hes doing great some of trumps highest profile Staff Members will be campaigning on his behalf while hes receiving treatment the president s team has launched operation maga where the Vice President on trump family members will appear in key states. Indias surging outbreak has now killed more than 100000 people thats nearly 10 percent of all covert 1000 related deaths in the world its the 3rd country to record that number of the United States and brazil india was hit harder than any other country in september causing the highest number of infections and fatalities in the world francisco over the break has once again hit record levels with almost 17000 new cases confirmed in the past 24 hours another 49. 00 people have died bringing frances total death toll to 32198. 00 thats the highest in the world the government is expected to announce new measures to curb the outbreak armenia says it will use all necessary means to protect Ethnic Armenians from azerbaijan this as the fighting has intensified in the disputed nagornokarabakh Region Military leaders in the enclave say another 51 of their soldiers have been killed the fighting broke out 7 days ago with both countries blaming each other for the aggression those are the headlines inside story is coming up next on aljazeera. After months of pushing for a rapid return to normal president drums in the hospital and a growing number of his political allies have also tested positive for covert 90 with cases rising in many countries will illness become a wake up call for americans and others around the world this is inside story. Hello and welcome to the program im peter delpy now the news that the u. S. President donald trump and his wife melania have tested positive for corona virus has shaken washington trump is the 3rd World Leaders to confront the virus british Prime MinisterBoris Johnson and brazils president bill sonar also succumbs now the experience of all 3 men is a reminder that the virus does threaten everyone sets up a conversation. With the president hospitalized and facing a period of treatment and quarantine all Trump Campaign events are now on hold its unclear if the next president ial debate scheduled for october 15th will go ahead. Trumps last rally before the diagnosis was in minnesota on wednesday as usual he did not wear a mask and neither did many of his supporters trump had planned rallies in florida wisconsin and arizona over the next several days from Campaign Officials say the president s absence from the campaign trail is not particularly important. In the british way and editions trumps infection also undercuts one of his central themes in these final days before the election which is that the pandemic is waning even though more than 207000 americans have died from it the end of the pandemic is in sight and next year will be one of the greatest years in the history of our country some voters may wonder if since the president could not keep himself or his wife safe from the pandemic he can keep the country safe from it its definitely ironic to have them and that is best thing that her legacy is making but of getting their way and again last week he said that kind of it hurts the impacts now line so we dont wish any ill will to the president but its not at all surprising given direction we just hope that this will cause a change in the direction of his leadership and that he will curtail some of the activities like really the Campaign Rallies where hes essentially being. Open and spreading that search around after testing negative for covert 19 democratic nominee joe biden continued his campaign and flew to michigan he expressed concern for trump and the 1st lady this is not a man. Politics its a bracing reminder to all of us who have to take these wires seriously buttons events are generally small and strictly adhered to virus control recommendations including mask wearing and distancing in tuesdays debate tro mocked biden for Wearing Masks and questioned his intelligence because you know what theres nothing smart about now leyden is caution seems to be the smarter approach robert oulds aljazeera well President Trump is just one of hundreds of thousands of americans whose been infected with covert 19 coronavirus it is the worst affected country in the world with the highest number of covert 1000 infections and deaths is followed by india with more than 100000 fatalities with more than 34000000 infections worldwide the pandemic has disrupted life Strained Health care systems and disrupted economies globally. Ok there we are here we go lets bring in our panel today here on inside story in london we have heidi lawson director of the vaccine conference project of the London School of hygiene and tropical medicine in indias capital weve got rajiv the sculptor social epidemiologist and professor at the school of social sciences Jawaharlal Nehru university in new delhi and in washington d. C. We have rena shaw a Public Health specialist and republican strategist who is supporting joe bidens campaign shes the founder of g. O. P. Women for biden welcome to you all we can i come to you 1st youre there in d. C. This is trump has cohabit hash tag ground 0 on this Amazing Development when he you know when he tweets hed yes ive got it hes now in hospital is it however a manifestation of an almost completely disconnected implementation of Public Policy and the reality of Public Policy. Well undoubtedly the president coming down with kobe supposedly is truly the most somber reminder of my fellow citizens i could and i could have of how this virus continues to plague our country and that there has been no plan look we had our 1st president ial debate this past week between trump and biden and we didnt learn about his plan then either so what i really believe is that plate right now is a great deal of uncertainty in the minds of americans everywhere about just when this will be contained on our shores Public Policy we know in many forms in the United States is also didnt need your its made as a result of somebody things really particularly negative consequence and so what i believe conventional wisdom would lead us to believe is if this president would come out of this hopefully and certainly all of us wish him a speedy recovery that he would come out of this difference my sense though having witnessed donald trump these past 4 years is that he may come out of this saying i wore a mask my mask was not back to that now and i still got her of it and ive lived to tell the tale and it wasnt that bad that is my prediction heidi lawson lets globalize this Boris Johnson contracts it coronavirus he was hospitalized he was in i. C. U. He took several weeks to look and sound as if he was firing on all cylinders again but if you look at the Us Administration if you look at bill sanaa in south america Boris Johnson where you are its like an Advent Calendar all of powerful politicians you know oh hes got it hes got it oh shes got it that persons got it and then we have this Ripple Effect of testing why is it these politicians it boils down to dont do as i do do as i say. Yes to a certain extent and some of its a bit of bad luck but certainly taking more proactive measures i mean you see on the other extreme putin whos quite extremely isolated and taking kind of an extreme measure for distancing but. On the other hand i i think there are i mean the the actual conflicting messages has been one of the issues that has plagued the responses people feel like theyre getting contradictory messages. But i just point out that Boris Johnson also started with milder symptoms was working from home im doing great guys im in there and every day you saw him sliding down in his chair and looking this this stage of that were out with President Trump this is early we really wont know the trajectory of this for at least a week i would say maybe even 10 days as a valid point im sure coming to you in new delhi. Theres nothing like this where you are and when i say that what i mean is you know nobody in the highest location politically has contracted coronavirus as far as we know they could have and theyve been asymptomatic all the time but it seems to me that in india the implementation of laid down policy is impossible for people to carry through on because youve got localized spikes where the infection rate is climbing quite quickly but the reality is that so many people in india have to move around particularly at these challenging times to get jobs and the reality is they are going from areas where there is a high incidence of covert 19 to low areas i. E. There might be taking it with them or theyre doing it the other way around theyre going into areas with high levels of covert 19. Rather correction to the 1st part of his statement. Certainly a higher ranking letisha. Have contracted go that. Very high profile home minister he did have of it he was hospitalized on 3 episodes because live for post coverage syndrome in fact most of it syndrome actually became a talking point after his last admission. Several ministers in different states have contracted go that there have been a few mortality. In the last week the ministry of state for a raise in the government of india. He was 60 plus he unfortunately passed on account of profit the 1st. Union minister to have succumbed to of it and most importantly we had the we had a brief session of the Parliament Last week a truncated session of about 5 days or so in which all stopped members of the Parliament House as well as the ministers of sorry the members of parliament to mandatorily tested and it started on 7 september at which time there were 25 positives among the 1500 Staff Members and by the time the session ended there were 83. 00 Staff Members were tested positive and the Vice President of india he was detected to be positive but he certainly remains asymptomatic so. Politicians and ministers and certainly those in the highest levels of government have been affected by covered and to come to the issue of the common man yes as you outlined as Economic Activities open up here in phase 5 of our luck this is really going to be the challenging phase particularly. Tempered with the fact that. In september 40 percent of the global cases have come from have been reported from india and 30 percent plus that september has really been the most challenging and well have to wait and see how october goes. Rina coming back to you in washington its early days for the trumpet ministration if we talk about the optics of mr Trumps Health issues right now and also maloney and also hope picks at what point does this is ministration start explicitly telling people you cannot break the ordinances on your health where a mask get tested regularly if you can if you want to behave with respect for yourself and everyone else. Well let me take a step back to many months ago back in april this administration pushed out a social Media Campaign and it was a Public Health campaign lets be honest im sure it made its way onto t. V. Airwaves as well that set shiftiness days to slow the spread in fact they started it would stop and then they also use slow so the from the get go the trumpet ministration as a federal unified response really genuinely failed in doing so because what the president was doing from the backend was saying to the governors of all of our states is do what you want to do you keep your borders open close them do what ever you want to do and ive got to be honest with you this is one of those moments as as a limited government proponent as somebody who believes in limited government and having made my career republican politics i am not one per federal unified response at all times but when we started to see the facts when we started to see that spread through the country after it originated in Washington State out west here in the United States that is when i believe our federal government have a responsibility to put down a mandate but thats really difficult because republicans hate mandates and so let me say this i really believe this president given hes been all over the map in his response he said things such as you know if we didnt test so much we wouldnt have so many cases in logical things like that even last week he said Dangerous Things such as i believe other countries like india and he pointed out india which has been a great ally to United States he said i believe theyre watching their numbers so hes been all over the place its really hard to believe how he truly believes in mass wearing and hand washing and social distancing maintaining that 6 foot distance of people when he regularly pokes fun at other people or even like joe biden this past week he said he wears a big mask at all times yeah hes. Things have been detrimental to a good response of this administration and i think it really difficult to see how they will dig themselves out of this in the coming weeks but let me be very honest as well this is a fast moving story i do not believe the president is in the white house because he has mild symptoms i believe hes been taking a while to read because his condition has escalated a little bit is still morbidity is lisa believe absolutely they only take you to i. C. U. All within walking distance of an i. C. U. If you are properly sick sure lets discuss that point rina to get back to red jeep in new delhi rajiv why is it so many politicians are kind of hiding behind this idea of oh im tested every day oh i get the quick saliva test in the morning then i get the nasal test in the evening why does that happen because testing testing testing is fine but it only takes you so far. Now to be fair. None of them are pleased certainly the vast majority of the indian politicians havent taken this position though there have been some some order statements coming from from from unlimited numbers that talent in india is actually ramping up the testing a lot more. The u. S. And russia russia for example in numbers of testing per 1000000 theyre testing about 6 times more than india brazil is about one and a half times long so while on one hand india has indeed ramped up testing a lot but its still a lot of ground to cover to be able to reach those levels and perhaps then we will get some reasonable idea estimation of the infection rate in the community. Heidi lawson in london will mr trumps medical condition as of know what happened to Boris Johnson what happens is diable scenario what happened to Prince Charles as well in the u. K. Will that be enough to convince the pandemic skeptics that theyve got it wrong. Well that the pen demick skeptics have done i dont think will be easily swayed to saying they got it wrong i have worked with some of the. We study a lot of these refusing. Groups and theyre quite set in their ways i dont think they would feel like they got it wrong for some individuals. And we see that happening in the in the way that these resistance groups the protests against lockdowns and masks and even vaccines in the face of of rising numbers so unfortunately were going to have to work around. Those one the people who are penned deniers as it were. But theres a there are a lot of other people that still need to be persuaded that this is real and this is a huge threat and actually were going into a much potential the worst phase in the context of a pending influenza epidemic rina in washington briefly do you think theres a chance here theres only one thing that will make people behave properly wherever they are in the world and thats if and or when they get it. Yes i do believe it is that but look this is i do not need to under play at all the present states a contract ink of a 19 this really will raise the consciousness of Many Americans who perhaps felt that they too are medically invincible like the president has been acting and perhaps they will also stop congregating in large groups they will perhaps engage and see for practice says such as even wearing goggles or sun was this because we know eyes to be a factor as well so so there are so many things that people can do that science is actually taught us over the past many months we know so much more about this virus now than we did just a few months ago so i think a lot of americans with our top leader are having constructive that there may be a general sense that i dont want to fall into the same fate and there are things i can do and let me just be a little bit more d selfconscious and self aware of my every day actions i am i do believe that will be the positive outcome here coming back to rajiv in new delhi do you have the feeling then that whether its your Prime Minister u. K. Prime minister the brazilian president or the u. S. President if they retrospect severely have not chimed as someone with the science they kind of then hemorrhage political credibility. Well as the lancet noted in its. Editorial in the last week of september what it called the dangers of false optimism and it called for a lot of far more data transparency than at present and let me underscore the point that this editorial was difficult on the indian situation. So therefore certainly there is an element of false optimism let it set the political level or whether its on the ground and i believe just as the doctor just said test test test. The mantra should also be communicate communicate communicate because thats really not getting the attention particularly given the diversity of some of these large countries diversities of language of culture of perception particularly with a very Strong SocialMedia Presence which can make or break Belief Systems and convictions. So communication is certainly being the weakest link of all and thats going to be tested in the coming months. Heidi lawson in london the pew center did some research granted it was before mr trump went public with his diagnosis and they said 63 percent of card carrying republicans believe the whole thing is at least overblown even if politicians now in the light of whats happened to the u. S. President even if politicians wherever they are in the world want to get strict with the signals with the Health Message how do you get through to those people who still want to believe oh if i go jogging wearing a mask it will kill me oh its a Conspiracy Theory its a cunning plan by the chinese. I think that we really need to communicate better in the in the gaps in communication about what covert is because i think there is a perception that its its like the flu and it is it is so not like the flu this is along i mean theyre increasingly referring to it as a long covert it has as we heard from their indian colleagues theres also an after a shock when you your whole immune system can go into overdrive even after your initial symptoms this is affecting different parts organs in the body these are systemic issues and somehow we need to get more personal stories out by people who have experienced this and can speak to one how important it is i think thats a crucial issue have we now reached a time arena where the federal government and the State Government i mean i hear what you say about you know you dont like government involvement per se in day to day life but have we reached the point now where the federal government have bought to give way and say primacy is the science i mean it is so bad donald trump inside a Military Hospital why not just make the head of the c. D. C. And the head of the f. D. A. Join Vice President s and make the president for 6 months and 25 and give him executive power because at least then people would be doing the right thing. Well thats you know thats probably never going to work in these United States ill tell you why because we have a succession of power outlined in our governing documents and that is all these people cabinet heads after you get past Vice President and the speaker of the house youve got a lot of people who are in line to the presidency so an unelected government bureaucrat is never going to be put in the top position no matter what happens and this would be the position that one would think that a pandemic you know really forces that someones hand to do something more but i have been completely underwhelmed by my governments response whether its at the the locals state or federal level i think people are very confused because when you see at the very top that there is no Cohesive Strategy there is no plan of action for the many months ahead everything has been very hopscotch and just 2 weeks ago this very same president who is now the Military Hospital were out on his campaign trail in ohio at a rally with saying this virus quote unquote virtually attacks impact virtually no one virtually no one except the elderly he forget he falls into the category of the elderly so again this is all from the top but again an army elected government bureaucrat is not going to be put in power this would be a moment where i would hope that everybody in the line of succession would be quarantined right now and ill tell you at this very moment we do not know that to be the d case so again we have a very very. Unclear he said strategy here in the United States its a very scary moment in time for us which is a compelling way to wrap up our discussion heidi i mean i thank you all very much they were aghast heidi lawson the best group to and rina shah thank you too for watching you can see the show again any time to the website as you know dot com and for further discussion to check out our Facebook Page facebook dot com forward slash raging inside story and also talk to us via twitter at a. J. Inside story or tweet me im at peta dont be one for me peter told me and everyone on the team here in doha thanks for watching we will see you very soon for the moment. Global pandemic. Family comes 1st. For every American Health care has never been more important. Because the new disease does not favor republicans over democrats bridge over poor or black over white. America decides how to care for a nation. Extensive coverage of the us elections. 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