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President ial election facebook is again in the spotlight over how it is tackling misinformation and hate speech on its platform today we look at the efforts of one Pressure GroupHolding Facebook to account and what the company itself is doing to clean house in the run up to election day if youre watching on the cheap you can send us your comments and questions to the life chat adding part of todays conversation and you could waste tweet us put a strong. U. S. Democracy is at risk hold facebook to account that is the declaration of a new group for social media experts criticizing the companys content moderation policies as the u. S. Election approaches the collective of activists journalists and academics calls itself the real facebook Oversight Board heres what one member of the group said at its launch of aint. We demand comprehensive action to ensure that race cannot be weaponized to undermine the vote and with that american democracy ours is an emergency intervention are evident Mr Zuckerberg and facebook employees. Now approach their 9 minute of the 11th hour in this democratic crisis and the time for excuses and political deals is. Facebooks official Oversight Board announced it will start accepting cases today joining us to talk more about responsibilities of facebook during the elections in london cow cadwallader shes organizer of the real facebook Oversight Board and a journalist at the guardian and observe a newspaper this kates clinic is assistant professor at St Johns University law school i was researching facebooks own Oversight Effort she is in new york and d. P. I. At gosh director of digital platforms and democracy project at Harvards Kennedy school he joins us from cambridge massachusetts and everybody we also invited facebook to join us and they didnt offer up a guess but they did copy and paste a statement from earlier on this month so i will show you some of the highlights of that statement during the sheva it was really good to see carol the real facebook Oversight Board of calling this moment and emergency what is the emergency the magic. Social media. Of which there is absolutely no. Oversight or accountability is about to make absolutely critical decisions which are going to affect the outcome of the us election and also the chance were a power and its quite terrifying the amount of power that it has in this situation and how little its done since 2016 when we know that it was used to facilitate and its hacked on the u. S. Democracy by russia and. There are very many people whove come to get the experts who come together on the real place who are they in many of them are genuinely terrified about whats going to happen in the next few weeks and that facebook may be used to incite violence and in fact i say it may be used but we know that it is already being used to incite violence undermine the election and to vote and you know that is something which i think the whole world news became attention to right at the moment we got the other guests not able to fire on at to create the not. Well carol its absolutely right and this is why i love the rear oversight for its work so much. Lets lets look at the actual Oversight Board for a moment it looks at a narrow set of cases. You know its a very narrow set of opportunities its not its a brand it is an Oversight Board over the company and yet its actual oversight its actually 40 over the company its almost non as compared to the to the. You economic social and political impact of the company itself. And so. I i think i think time has come for us to really pull big feet to the fire certainly facebooks. As as a company that is having that in fact and is not doing right by by democracy. I think we are getting. Ok just a few hours before we went live today. This starting today facebook and facebook itself canals the board to independently independent review content decisions that this is the official facebook Oversight Board not the real Oversight Board just so that we dont think this is facebooks one the pressure quick so on and they basically tell you what you need to do how they can to handle a tape what do you make of this this is this progress that were seeing right here. Yeah so i kind of want to i was nodding before i would carolyn stand because they actually agree with the idea that the company sort of way too powerful and do not have good leverage points and that there isnt an effective means of oversight i dont have any disagreement with that in fact i think its the real say or a group that like setting up like is going to have an impact and like i i im kind of of the opinion that we should throw like everything at the wall and see what sticks and in the world of trying to figure out how to manage these massive corporations and their their control and their governance over basic human rights. But i will say this which is that. Its kind of a fiction that dick pound just said it. I. Like to say that he is a fan of the real over the real Oversight Boards that like carol set out over the Oversight Board when the Oversight Board which is independent from facebook which is made up of an independent group of experts which is fine to completely separately and has a mandate to hear court like appeals from users and how does actual purchase although narrow over the ability of facebook to make its policy decisions like that it doesnt have like impact like the real Oversight Board that carol set up has p. R. Impact but thats the only thing that it has and thats no better than what weve had already let me just bring in here i dont rush. To im one and i dont know him and then who alan hes one of the Board Members from social facebook Oversight Board. I hope im not going to say things me that i didnt say that it doesnt have no impact but it no impact but rather that it has very limited in. Very limited internet and as compared to the tremendous economic political and it was like for me was limited to me doesnt you know its a more or less limited than like what the Oversight Board with yeah i dont even know what that even means are you going to take down 50 percent more tweets all 20 percent what does that even mean to fiat as a user at all facebook what what does little to mean i can almost like social media check to monetize a bit of it well what can you clarify i say i hear the pushback but i dont understand what it means yeah. Well kate mentioned that our heroes. Charles real Oversight Board is it is or isnt. Theres a p. R. Here i am i think that actual Oversight Board is actually if you are it yes it has a charter yes its financially independent yes they have a process and yes i think that its been set up in a way that it actually does not really well the Company Accountable you know you know considerable way and and to be a little bit more specific here facebook is a near thing as a virtual monopoly and it has a tremendous market power in social media its that its the dominant player through facebook and instagram and all that other applications. And theres a huge amount of Economic Activity that goes through facebook and that narrow off already that or has over a certain pieces of content that that border has capacity to to take upon itself to review and which facebook allows the board to review. Is just going to result in not that much impact when we think about the vast majority of. Content issues that we have on the platform today on the companys platforms today as well as its economic power how can i get. This idea that its critical and you know i hope that it can have. Issues around which piece of content came back up again that you can remember this is this new green cool if the now did you mean cool we dont try it will remember its not that its a supremes rule all of these numbers have been selected by frank but now people who are on the real facebook ive decided on the shoulder and also joined and i think i really do you question how independent at the moment and i. I know that there are you know it really feels. Very glad to them but then how did it how did i how can i bring in a distrust to your point because theres a gallon rush butter i know you know and his word in the passing hes been the editor of the guardian. Former editor in chief of the guardian newspaper. He was asked this question how independent can you actually be and this is what he does have a lot of merit there were quite a lot of places people on the zune call. Now there are. No none of us. And we havent as a board met anybody from facebook and i think were very conscious that we dont work race but were we are an independent. Oversight board and now do you know im whether somewhere down the road we might want to have a dialogue with facebook but at the moment. Facebook. Are simply not in the room. So i think what i was facing saying is that we dont work for facebook we are independent people that have a look at some of these independent Board Members who are cowards one no point in this they want to move on yeah i know its a really great point and you know and of course you know its you know commanding figure it and so many of those people are you know like really intellectuals huge reputations and of course they are independent but the thing you back to the reason is that we have seen in facebooks actions towards us as a group and what what they have tried to do in terms of trying to kill the project before it even started in terms of these different spoiler moves that its made in terms of in fact even getting our website you know the internet these are moves which have been made by facebook and we even when i sent inquiries to face the Oversight Board i did face the executives. So its definitely a relationship there and thats not as i say its not the cost of their actions on any of them and you know as i say are all really individuals in their own right but this is a structure which has been paid all set established by face with its terms of reference that is set by base that charter my base that i really hope that this rebel and so well do you that because thats and i hope that we help by giving them leverage and support in that way and i think they have to i really do think that they need to go wrote let me push on a little bit because people are watching a senate commenting so look as sad as they can put this to you were also come to have an Oversight Board. As you know not one for having one theres one Oversight Board just like there is why and like set of Community Standards and policies for all of facebook we dont have a balkanized internet and terms of like these platforms the reason they comply individually with laws within countries and they do that theyre geo blocking so for example Holocaust Denial is illegal or sorry Holocaust Denial is illegal in france and germany and so they like they will geo lock certain types like speech in france and germany but its legal in the United States and so they dont do it there. So theres not this isnt this isnt about geography its but i just wanted to Say Something really quick because i think that like were theres just theres just small amount of like and i know that a 30 minute talk on live t. V. Is never the best place to really like break bread and like make me like kind of like inroads on things but i do want to say that like everything that has been said so far by the other guests i agree with i just dont think that what there is yet it is like a reason to be skeptical of the actual Oversight Board which is its own independent organization to carols point i think it could take up the mantle that she kind of like issues pushing for or the ground is pushing for i think that those that i possibility use i just dont think it has to come at the cost of that tool necessarily like. My kind of just dragging it all over the media like theres still a chance that the overstay. Could do something really significant and i dont think it cost us a lot to put some hope in that town let me just in light of everybody because. In a great position as they already know what the real facebook oversight who are asking for but here in a tweet very easy for everyone to access the demands facebook must enforce its own policy banning all paid advertising that mentions president ial Election Results will get a post about president ial Election Results as untrue and premature until one candidate is the president elect and the other candidate concedes just so that everybody here is on the same page about what it is that you are pushing to have done carol may i have put one more you tube comment to you so that were sharing our conversation without audience im sure youve heard this before simone smith says facebook is free speech if you control facebook you have lost your freedom carol. Great i mean. I should get somebody else through that when i mean the idea that your quitting 3 speech youre investing one man one billionaire Mark Zuckerberg with the power to start decreasing your home day more than 3000000000 people across the globe to use facebook products i mean if thats your idea of free speech thats an unknown algorithm weve got no idea how it works and a certain messages and doesnt amplify other ones one of the things we see and find theres been a white supremacist weve got no idea how that works or whats going on inside the company and i thats not free speech that you know thats that artificially enhanced and amplified and thats just one of the many issues going on but i mean can i just come back on something which is the thing that kate said about not be cynical about the Oversight Board and you know i really do wish them all the very best of luck and i hope also they dont get a good outcome yet but i think its certainly wrong not to be cynical or facebook now as a journalist whos been reporting on these companies for 4 years you have had i have had the e. C. In a report in which they find facebook 100000000. 00 they say that Facebook Like to journalist is one of your lists who is like you but its the last week when are we launched launched the real facebook Oversight Board i had columns man coming out on twitter to troll me personally once using to. Pressing wineries about why our state our web site had been taken down he came out to troll me about cambridge generally sikka which is the story i wrote and which facebook was fined 5000000000. 00 for using people. And corporate reaction was to. Go out on twitter and attack me personally now i now read and sexily and shrug and it makes me really wonder about what is going on inside what. Im what its relationship is with the Current White House guess i didnt mention the face but wouldnt send a guest to sit alongside you but they did send a copy and paste it statement it did have a spelling error in it so they see the spelling i its not me its facebook all right so this is what they said they have done a very easy for the us election so between march and september of this year theyve removed more than 120000 pieces of facebook and instagram content in the u. S. Theyve displayed warnings theyve rejected ads submissions before they could run about 2200000 times theyve removed it announce 13 networks engage in coordinated in authentic. They said theyve done a lot we also wanted to bring a Research Record shot and seem who was looking at these all the things that facebook of everyday reacted really well shalen has a but lets have a listen to. Facebook is going in some things way in the run up to the 2020 alexion they put a lot of friction around the false information story that was in the New York Post about joe biden and they also have finally removed the q an armed groups although some myself included would say that came a little too late to be deeply effective what we still worry about or what i still worry about is that there is not going to be swift and Decisive Action on claims that we know will be coming from the president and his allies about a contested election and calls to violence at the polls or afterwards facebook is still paying too much consideration to the political outcomes of their decisions instead of thinking about what is the right decision with democracy as the goal post. This is a lot for a social media platform to handle i am wondering d. Hand is it isnt possible what the ask is what the expectation is because facebook is so huge is it actually possible for them to act responsibly for everybody whos using this platform. Its totally possible and lets be clear there are many apps facebook and a lot of them are aligned you know around its privacy practices around its Digital Advertising practices around its algorithmic practices and carol through the real Oversight Board has made a lot of those demands or for policy suggestions clear as as have i and many others in various formats including when i worked at facebook. And so on so i think that there are i think that the terms are very clear its just a matter of asking the question do these demands align with facebooks Business Model and lets be clear again this is a Business Model going to has historic profit margins. Its a Business Model that serves an entire financial infrastructure sitting behind facebook of shareholders investors and so com bally that executive order of facebook and its executives and themselves and the company is going to do whatever it can to protect that Business Model even if it means setting up an Oversight Board that is facially independent. And then composed of 3rd parties 3rd Party Researchers and scholars to give the impression to the public around the world that yes there is oversight of facebook by these 40 independent individuals or 20 whatever whatever the number might be and when in fact there isnt this is that they bring this is the Oversight Board i mean come on this this board is going to be looking at a few pieces of content new content. So doesnt that if i were to fiat and what weve had this very robust conversation about oversight pulled and how much oversight you were doing on the law and on the ah. Chain of conversation thats watching all of you guessed theres a lot of mistrust about facebook in the chat and i think probably because theyve heard Mark Zuckerberg say things like this this is a congressional us hearing back in october of last year and hes talking about that same spot lies online and he actually he will take this have a look so you wont take down lies or you will take down lives saving is just a Pretty Simple yes or no on this woman in my talk about spin im talking about actual or yes there are some scenes in a democracy and i believe that people should be able to see for themselves what politicians that they may or may not vote for or you are in want take it out there for themselves so you want to you may flag that its wrong but you want to take it down congresswoman. It depends on the context that it shows up organic post. So i guess im kind of squirming listening to that because it is a its a lie which is a lie why not just say yes carol. Because marks not true but it has no moral compass mean that is fundamentally the problem i mean you know you started out i mean you know at one point we you know so many people loved it was like you know it was the word you need in your friends in your family and then you know how do you respond to this illustrated gender star i in my own are you know thats what a United Nations report said is that it played to determining role in the genocide in mind. And you know why cant the well the face of that absolutely nothing guests and you know maines at the company after that. You know guess this im saying well they see you know i live. Across the world so many countries where you. Rely on. Many many you cant be firing. Im basically going to say that this conversation has got so much more energy in it and much more time as kate pointed out about 15 minutes ago now tech says maybe we should just suspend facebook during election to avoid confusion and the spread of lies by individuals thank you guess what a robust conversation. We shall see the election is just 2 weeks away thank you for joining us our c. N. N. X. Time. Keeping law and order is a primary function of any state. When protecting the people became Police Brutality a domestic incident became a global lock her. In a country torn apart by racial inequality. When americans find a leader to unite. All of the key issues of the us elections. 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