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Sounds too good to be true, right . But supporters of universal basic income say providing unconditional payments to citizens would help with millions out of poverty and that uncertainty over the future jobs. So today were looking at initiatives, theyve been trials around the world. What would ask if basic Income Programs . Well, if theyre ready for a larger audience, the joining us today from new york is guy standing. Hes cold president of the basic Income Earth Network and the author of the pro carry at the new dangers class. Same so cause the documentary filmmaker whos been on free money examines the impact of a basic Income Program on people that rule. Kenya, hes and i robi, and eleanor o done have been as an artist receiving funds through ireland recently launch basic income for the arts initiative. Shes on iceland, east coast, and a well more see if its a stable that you, if youre watching this on youtube, get me your questions through that box over there. We got a live producer waiting to get your questions to me so i can get them to the people on the panel and you know, we can do this thing together, right . So joining me on this. All right, hey guy, i want to begin with you to the new book, the precarious. What is a pro carry it . Tell us about this dangers class . Well i actually, my new book is about how to pay for the basic income, but the area has gone into 4 additions. And its been translated into 24 languages. And basically the precarious is the big mass class of the well today. And it consists of millions of millions of people who are facing chronic instability in their lives on the stable label though, and bought a tile incomes and a chronic gate. And that one mistake one x isnt well the illness and theyre out homeless or they think that so that people facing extreme precariousness and then losing the rights of citizenship and losing social rights that losing cultural rights but losing economic rights on fundamentally the most important thing for this conversation is that they feel like salt chickens, a new deal is this. They have to us the fables from landlords from employers, from relatives or bureaucrats, dealing with them on this. This is a terrible existence show way of living in which millions of people are getting very angry. The less and you k to listen to the voice is a popular stick stream is like donald trump. The more progressive educating group are looking for a new politics, and these people are drawn to basic income. And its a very Important Development because we now have a mass clause, which is really in favor of basic income and the opinion potable over the world showing well. Okay, eleanor, so youre an artist, youre at a you can explain it better than me but an art uh, retreat or something right there. And in iceland, but before that you were in ireland. And were you able to, i guess, produce art of the same way that you do now before you were chosen for the i trial there . Yeah, so this month i am on an Artist Residency and i sent blay to live in ireland. And before i was randomly selected to be a participant in the base can come to the arts in ireland, i was working part time to be able to support myself to be for my rent. And then also to support myself as an artist in the studio. And so getting the basic income is like winning the loss, right. You know its, its usually transformed it all ready for my, our practice and just for my general life and sense of, of being i think. Yeah, but im looking at you in that art studio and im just thinking like, this seems good for humanity that you can actually dedicate more time in your life to something creative than just trying to survive. And a capitalist economy. It has it been rest your life and that way . Yeah, absolutely. I mean, i love what i do and i was always grateful to be able to do it. Even if i could only have spent 2 or 3 days a week. Do i guess what this means is that i can kind of relax the best and i guess something that is quite relevant to being an artist is that you need time to spend in the studio. And just, im thinking it to kind of not necessarily be productive or to do stuff that doesnt, doesnt tell you look productive and having to basically comp just means that i have this luxury day of time where i can sort of relax and think more about what im making so it has really just been phenomenal. Yeah, it just speaks to humanity, the sense that we can be more than cods and the machine thats designed purely to make profits. Um, so co whos with us is a film direct and he has this movie called free money. I want to share a clip with you, but he follows a number of people in a kenyan, a real Canyon Village could go. Could you do that . Right . And you followed him for how long . Several, for 5 years through the trial. Is that right . My . Yep. My code there. I couldnt i lauren . Full of them for 5 years. Yeah. Fantastic. Well so lets watch this clip together. The. So it strikes me there so that this is so powerful in their life that they, they attributed to, to god, god has seen those in buses. But really its, its more, its a matter of Economic Policy. Its a matter of people getting together within the society or an economy and saying, hey, we could approach this a little differently, right . I think it speaks to the depth of poverty and the depth in which luck takes you to um i have the, the turning into spaces like religion and all these other faces because the level of declaration and i think the idea and in this case that come with the following the funding in this village, that the concept of implementation of a u. B, i was to uplift people from extreme poverty. I think its just kind of the levels where you, you just need, might need to do, you know, basic to do basic things. You know, food and shelter, coming to an indication. Theres things that can do shouldnt be a no brainer in terms of if you think about existing as humanity. However, a lot of good people are put in a space where these are not the systems that exist instructors that exist not beneficial that are not helpful. I think because those structures, theyre not helpful to their lives, the idea of them getting a consistent income every single month is a total game changer. A got k, you said the book about how to pay for it. Yeah. Tell us, where does all the money come from . He was the meanest. Im asking you this guy as well a my, my feeling is that we can pay for a basic income of a modest amount quite easily. If you think about it, governments have billions in the case of rich countries, billions of dollars or whatever it is in subsidies, but mainly go to rich people, tax breaks and so on. My own countries, i have a 400000000000 pounds a year. If you pay the, everybody above his basic income, youll be much less than that. But im also advocating e co fiscal policies of levies on people who take from the commons. And that includes having a common levy. We need a call for larry, but they can only have a cover letter if we recycle the income, the game from the cop and maybe because otherwise its regressive. In other words, it increases any quality, but we need a common tax. We need a high common tax because weve got to come down on fossil fuels and Greenhouse Gas emissions. We cant go on as weve been doing. So i dont that be affordable. It to you is really critical. On the ive, ive outlined various ways you can pay for it. And the important thing from our conversation is that to get governments to move in the direction of having a decent basic income for every party. Pilots. And ive been involved in 6 or 7 pilots altogether ponder, show the net cost is much less than the gross cost. What that means is that because it improves peoples health, for example, as its places less stress on the health services, it reduces the cost of providing Public Health services. So governments gain by saving money the same with education, it improves educational attendance, educational performance, and therefore makes it a better investment. So you really shouldnt look at the back of the envelope calculation. You should look at what other net pretends and the dynamics of a, a, moving towards a basic income as we have a new welfare system. So can you want to jump in the i a yeah, i think the idea of where the basic and come works and not is in many ways irrelevant because it, it kind of comes from, they cannot, he story. This could be need to be thinking of where as a society is like we have a, i hate for poor people and it was due for like the idea of that to people need to lead better lives. Theyll have the ability to the better life because its very complicated that the issue at hand, that is something that kind of like things that have to be talked about. Things like, even with the giving of basic income. It is not exactly a Silver Bullet because unless you have Better Health care and that you have the best education and this you have all these amenities that are available free and capable of helping people and making life, you know, ok for people to exist and then we, we kind of end up just going round and round in circles discussing whether its ok to people to have a 2nd level of income to support their basic existence. Thats kind of a sad reality. I think and non check capitalism and the pilots, youre talking about guy. These are experiments that have happened all over the world. No ones really taking this on as a, as a permanent Economic Policy in illinois. You right now, are they, i dont want to called a lab indicate but youre part of the experiment. And im curious, how did a measure in your life the impact that this had on you . Yeah, absolutely. Um, just to touch back on was um the others are saying that the forward dependency of that. I mean this is a playlist and our end of 2000 people were getting paid and 17 grand a year for 3 years. I think it work cited by 25000000 a year, which is really just a drop in the os. And in terms of, you know, ireland sports as a bus. The benefits are just astronomical. I mean, like how the records the impacts of the basic income and the survey. And it has only been 6 months since we have only had to do the survey once the last few questions about you know, how much time have you been able to spend making, how much time as youd be able to spend researching opportunities. But they also ask you questions like, how much sleep to get to night . Like per nice, how many areas to use benz caring after children or like else are we relatives or, you know, etc. So they really do take into account the, the, the welding of the people who are receiving this piece of income. And its something that was, you know, it didnt just come at a know where it was advocated for. Theres the National Campaign for the arts and art and which are really pushing for this basic income trial. And i mean, i should point out that its not a universal piece of income. Its really just a very, very small sector of people working in ireland and bus, you know, focusing as well, an artist productivity. And they are both the, i think its probably the most productive way of looking at because youre not alone here. Eleanor in our youtube audience, richard for a says that hes on the same you b, i program the year on release. He thinks he is and he says he knows other artist and that program and they feel so supported guy i. I see that you want to jump in and im, im, im thinking about ellen or getting more sleep at night and wondering whos profiting off of her sleep. So well, this full, i mean we, we now have an enormous amount of evidence because there are been over a 150. 00 pilots and experiments. The may is scheme and in the United States is a really exciting initiative. 50 may is assigned up to do basic income to experiments. Weve done a huge basic income pilot in india with thousands of people would give them a basic income and we evaluated it by comparison with people, some of the people who werent receiving it. And we found improvements in nutrition improvements in Health Improvements in Health Care Improvements in work. One of the biggest issues that keeps coming up is this claim that if you had a basic income, it would reduce peoples work. But i want, i want the listeners to listen very carefully to what i have to say in the next couple of seconds. Basic income results in an increase in work this and more productive activities in work and more collaborative, uncooperative forms of what the evidence is overwhelming. And its very important that we scorch that. But somehow, if you have basic security, youll gain to become indolent on the country. You feel more energized, you feel more confident . Do you feel more like taking entrepreneurial risks in your domain of life and you can what care is what it just isnt . County does work in all statistics but this particular and its, its a feminist issue. It increases the amount of time that people can put into care for their loved ones that commute that it just sounds almost 2 years. Itd be true. It sounds too good to be true. So but listen, you mentioned that this does happen in america. I want to bring in one clip and well come back to you to your guy. But this clip is from a, a p, and its looking stockton, california, where the mayor brought it brought a new kind of experiment there, there checked us out. Im surprised about how many people are struggling. These are people with good jobs, Small Business owners, teachers, retired people, Union Members who are struggling, who are working hard, doing over and live on top of their jobs. Not seeing their kids. Nothing. Heather, how that money gets me on that peace of mind. And right now my car i got in a car accident and my car. I told them. So i didnt have no car payments and now i have a car payment and that money. I know its not gonna be forever, but puts me a foot in the door to get a car and also to get the payments paid until the money runs out. Or so. So much as it seems to be about like our perception of something and so on going back to you here where it, its like in capitalism, we blame the poor. And thats a part of the game is a part of the system that we need to blame the poor. How do you, how do you get over that mindset . How do you get people over that mindset . I can, its a sample sound, but you know, i think it, it, it, it, them, in, in, not only speaking about experiments of thinking about whats happening and watching the stories of, of the people who have gone through them. But at the same time and like makes payment that we look for knowing that been telling them that intended consequences. What in a society based on the fact that, that, that the recipients and their experiences are the money then intended consequences were in, in things like say, the sources of the money. And it kind of came, come through, i dont know system. Im kind of like its, its based on the, the past experiences that a lot of people have had in the continent when we dont have funding. And under the i, the lack of sustainability with that kind of system. It means that its, its not sustainable. Its implementation and its based like can yeah, because you have to involve governments and this money has to be involved in together and kind of like collectively in the level and how the money kind of comes through to the people. And at the same time, it cant be implemented in black ones, but then you dont have connected to another spot because you only have to start creating class class struck to that 19850. 00. So in, in, in the ad, unintended consequences in implementation of the experiment. And thats why we should stop experimenting and implementing programs. We should just in pre med program because like guy said, were open override with experiments. I think were done with experimenting. Why the hell are we still experimenting . What are we experimenting for . Its a perception issue at this point, rather than i think so as a system it gives you may know particularly it is political now me, josh. I think we have enough evidence from around a well different types of countries. We can afford it because we can afford all sorts of schemes us as we saw it during the cobit pandemic. When government sudden they were able to flush put money into companies and then the 0 Interest Rates for those games, billions of dollars and the earliest was spent, then they suddenly they have that money. Its not a question and not being able to afford it. We have to be fiscally responsible, but its a folder. I think we have to go back to why we want a basic inc. And the fundamental reason lane is ethical. Its festival a matter of common justice. The incoming wealth of every single one of us, including all of us in this program, is far more to do with the efforts and the treatments of all proceeding generations than anything we do ourselves. But we dont know whose parents, grandparents and previous generations contributed more or less. So, you know, sense, you could see a basic king coming as a sort of common dividend on the collect to. Well, now is very interested. The pope during koby came out in favor of a basic game. So 1st time, the Catholic Church has come out, family and faith. And really if your religious, you can say that gold gave us on equal tons on equal skills, us. And in a sense of basic income is a compensation for those who dont get the out of making a lot of money. But also we realize that basic income gives people basic security. And basic security is a human me as a bonus vote. And if you dont have a basic security, your mental i q, those down the psychologist to show us that. So in the sense giving people basic security is a way of saying youre a citizen. Then you come by page. But if youre calling the insecure, its unfair for us to expect somebody to behave in a way we might look. They got to behave just as a boy, im a basic security is fundamental. And finally, ethically it went. Politician, i that speak says theyre in favor of freedom, but you call be free if youre chronically. Im insecure and impoverished ending debt. So can only be angry if you have access to the material resort so that you can make decisions. Hey, i wanna bring a quick video and running out of time in the show and, and i want to ship this conversation. There may be a little bit more forward looking here. Check this out. Well discuss it after the, the lot the other music and that, thats a mass of attack. Thats a video that they actually did with guys got over 3000000 views. It wasnt the video i wanted you to see the i wanted to bring in this video off a tick tock. Check this out. What you were looking at as of as far as most recent harvesters which can take up to 30 minutes, which is amazing. But its an incredible reminder of our 2055. Over half of all the current jobs will be replaced by automation in over half of the global population will be unemployed with no real way to generate income. Which people use to say would be to this mass of creative renaissance. Now we have a secondary radar work cell for hundreds of thousands of dollars using papers and soon to be and also scripts to read the economy from completely collapsing. Governments are going to have to start happening, or youll be able to everyone that will be enough to cover all basically the needs so okay. Shipping to a guy. Uh he was saying, have to have the jobs by 2050 something are going to be taken away by automation or, or a i, as we look at the changes that are coming in the future, the owner, i see that that, that struck a chord with you what, what do you think about that . I mean, i just think its so hilarious to bring the image generation into the conversation about ours. Because, you know, ours have so much more than, you know, selling an image that could hang up on someone sofa. And what are the more of an interrupt . Because we only have a few minutes. This is not about the image generation. Its about a are replacing lawyers, maybe some nurses and doctors, like all the things a i that the chat to be taken to do better than here. Most outcome. Yeah, i think theres, theres 2 levels in which you can look at. It would be the compositions of a i, but probably as brought there in this on the competition of u. B. I. In the last couple of years. However, the 1st challenge of looking at a i, which is using a i in deciding who gets money or not, which is a super problematic situation because human beings of a very dynamic and theres something very different to doctors. So using that technology and i think its happening and its already taken place. But at the same time, i think replacing all the changing jobs and determining whether this is the particular problem for us to fight and even poverty. It should not come to that. I show you like, oh my god, ive got a job and because ive got less than a minute left, and sam or a guy, i dont have time to get to go to you. Im sorry. And i know guy wanted to get into a point about one of the things you b, i does is giving everyone money. People are much less likely to be exploited. If they have the money they need to live on. So it can be very empowering, and i wish you have gotten to that point during the show. But man, what an interesting topic. Thank you for joining us. Thats all the time we have for today. Want to take my guess guy. So go on eleanor. And for you, you can always find a stream that out. Is there a com . Thank you for watching the the legacy of southern assets as colonial histories. Samo a blend of traditional music with western instrument. The switch to now it goes in apartheid to disused mines where a new illegal gold rush has taken hold. As organized, crime guns, battle for control of this lucrative industry feuds that started in some too often. And then bloodshed, the accordion morris on a jersey to frank assessments 3000000000. 00. Is it going to be enough to get back . 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