The bbc news is that theyve released some new guidelines for presenters and personalities use of social media. News people have to stick to the rules of being completely impartial and not say anything controversial which is all has been the case, but presenters of certain flagship programmes like much of the day your antiques roadshow have been told they cant tweet anything that might be considered controversial while their shows on air orjust before or after they are on air. This is a reaction to that whole row about gary lineker and his tweets that caused a huge for rory and then the bbc had to wrestle with its commitment to impartiality but then what about folk who arent doing news shows and maybe do a handful of shows a year or a collection of shows but also do lots of other work and might want to express views about stuff . And news about gb news is that ofcom, the communications regulator, has announced they are doing an official investigation into those comments by the actor and commentator laurence fox on a show the other night when they were talking about some comments made by a female journalist. We can chat about what is going on in gb news now because we arejoint in is going on in gb news now because we are joint in the studio by one of the presenters. It is nice to see you in real life rather than on screen. Do i look better . The same which was already good. What is the last 48 hours been like a gb news . To be honest, its been an interesting moment because we have worked interesting moment because we have worked very hard at gb news to make sure that worked very hard at gb news to make sure that we worked very hard at gb news to make sure that we follow all the guidelines and that we are all trained guidelines and that we are all trained properly with all the ofcom guidelines that some of us have come from, guidelines that some of us have come from, myself from the bbc, we were really from, myself from the bbc, we were really making headway because we have last really making headway because we have last week Beat Bbc News and sky news over have last week Beat Bbc News and sky news over average views and for three news over average views and for three consecutive days we also beat sky news three consecutive days we also beat sky news and we have been Making Realty sky news and we have been making really great headway. But the last 48 hours really great headway. But the last 48 hours have been quite tough in a sense 48 hours have been quite tough in a sense because it is disappointing because sense because it is disappointing because the things that were said on air are because the things that were said on air are hot because the things that were said on air are not really the way that the chahhet air are not really the way that the channel operates. A lot of people have channel operates. A lot of people have Treeh Channel operates. A lot of people have been saying Freedom Of Speech, freedom have been saying Freedom Of Speech, Freedom Of Have been saying Freedom Of Speech, Freedom Of Speech and laurence fox had talked Freedom Of Speech and laurence fox had talked about Freedom Of Speech. Yes, had talked about Freedom Of Speech. Yes. There had talked about Freedom Of Speech. Yes, there is Freedom Of Speech but lets not yes, there is Freedom Of Speech but lets not conflate that with being misogynistic, sexist or racist. Those misogynistic, sexist or racist. Those things arent allowed and that isnt a those things arent allowed and that isnt a standard that we would have at gb isnt a standard that we would have at gb news. Most people at gb news that i speak to dont think that its acceptable what he said and neither its acceptable what he said and neither do our viewers. Can its acceptable what he said and neither do our viewers. Neither do our viewers. Can you understand neither do our viewers. Can you understand how neither do our viewers. Can you understand how it neither do our viewers. Can you understand how it happened . L neither do our viewers. Can you understand how it happened . What was your theory about what was going on . I cant really speak about what was going i cant really speak about what was going oh~ i cant really speak about what was going oh i i cant really speak about what was going on. Ijust Think Laurence was talking going on. Ijust Think Laurence was talking as going on. Ijust Think Laurence was talking as though he is a 17 year old around his mates in a pub and 17 year old around his mates in a pub and hot 17 year old around his mates in a pub and not actually respecting the space pub and not actually respecting the space that he was in riches whilst we do space that he was in riches whilst we do like space that he was in riches whilst we do like to have an entertaining sehse we do like to have an entertaining sense of we do like to have an entertaining sense of the news, we are also quite serious sense of the news, we are also quite serious~ im sense of the news, we are also quite serious. Im quite a serious jourhaiist serious. Im quite a serious journalist. I might laugh and joke and make journalist. I might laugh and joke and make fun in light of things, but my messes and make fun in light of things, but my messes is usually a serious one and gb my messes is usually a serious one and gb news suspended him immediately. There was no question about immediately. There was no question about that immediately. There was no question about that. Dan has also been suspended, they are being investigated for their behaviour. I investigated for their behaviour. Wonder investigated for their behaviour. I wonder what your Human Reaction was. Yes, as a colleague, but more as an individual when you first watch the exchange on the telly or social media . ,. , ~ exchange on the telly or social media . ,. , , media . Look, this is my view. Lawrence media . Look, this is my view. Lawrence didnt media . Look, this is my view. Lawrence didnt need media . Look, this is my view. Lawrence didnt need to media . Look, this is my view. Lawrence didnt need to sink l media . Look, this is my view. | lawrence didnt need to sink to media . Look, this is my view. I lawrence didnt need to sink to a similar lawrence didnt need to sink to a similar level, ive looked at some of the similar level, ive looked at some of the things ava says on social media of the things ava says on social media and of the things ava says on social media and see talks in that way to some media and see talks in that way to some of media and see talks in that way to some of the people who are tweeting her and some of the people who are tweeting her and things. But that doesnt mean her and things. But that doesnt mean that her and things. But that doesnt mean that if lawrence is having exchange mean that if lawrence is having exchange with her, especially on air live on exchange with her, especially on air live on a exchange with her, especially on air live on a news channel, that he should live on a news channel, that he should be live on a news channel, that he should be going down the same sinkhole should be going down the same sinkhole. For me, the language on air was sinkhole. For me, the language on air was totally unacceptable. This is not air was totally unacceptable. This is not something i would allow on my show is not something i would allow on my show it is not something i would allow on my show it is is not something i would allow on my show. It is being investigated because show. It is being investigated because this is not the charter on bbc news gb news. So you can have lots of different views, which we do have, but you must treat each person with respect as well. Because i wonder, gb News Champions is the fact that you will hear bold opinions and makes an argument that you will hear bold opinions that you perhaps dont hear as much of elsewhere. I wonder where, and again im not asking you to speak on behalf of the whole channel, but for your own show, for instance, where you draw a line on a channel that is proud of being bold in its opinions, between being bold and then a line over which you would deem to be acceptable. I mean, you have drawn part of that line in what you have just said but ijust wonder how you kind of wrestle with that. Well, i wouldnt tolerate someone being misogynistic, and that is what i felt that was, that was a misogynistic, Nonsense Comment that gb news would not stand by and neither would i. And i dont know what went on within all of that, but if i have comments like that in my show, i would shut that down instantly and demand an apology from the person there. But i dont know what happened but the bottom line is that management would not tolerate that and neither would i. Do you Think Laurence fox should ever be back on gb news . Its not for me to determine what the management should do, should or shouldnt do, they are investigating so they will investigate and then they will come up with a decision, its not my decision to make. And how does it work on the channel, with you as a presenter and a contributor . Done in a very straight way, and this is something a bit more commenty so you can kind of maybe let rip a bit more or. So, what the deal is, just like you have News Commentators on the bbc, and with this new guideline, where people are not strictly close to the news, they are free to speak, but the news readers, so we have News Bulletins on the hour and sometimes at half past the hour, they do not express an opinion so we follow the ofcom guidelines which are that if somebody is a news reader, they do not express an opinion on the news and we are very strict with that, and they do not crossover. But i am a commentator and broadcaster, i am a journalist, but im not a newsreader. Just looping back to the laurence fox issue, i get that there is the ongoing gb News Investigation and gb news is a kind of corporate entity as a channel will come to a judgment on what happens, i just wonder what your view is . Would you be comfortable being on the same network as laurence fox were he to be welcomed back . You know, for me, if i. I dont like hearing misogynistic or racist comments so in my view, personally, i dont know what they are going to do, i think its down to them, i dont know what happened there for that sort of comment. Me personally, if it was me, i dont know, i probably wouldnt want him back on air but that is down to the management, its up to them. What about dan wootton . Well, again, it is down to them to make that decision, its not my decision to make. Because he had a different role in it, didnt he . He has been criticised for sort of allowing it to happen, he didnt say it. Again look, they are investigating it and, as you know when something is being investigated, you try not to comment on it because there would have been other things going on but im not aware of. Gb news are taking quite a serious approach to this. We have never suspended people instantly like that and that is the first time that two people, as far as i know have been suspended immediately. There was no question as to whether they should or should not be suspended. At lunchtime today, lee anderson, who is a gb news presenter or commentator, im not sure which category he is in, he posted a picture of him in the pub with Suella Braverman, the home secretary, saying, exclusive scoop, i am going to be chatting to the home secretary in her first interview since she has got back from washington, dc. Just explain to people why it is ok for a conservative mp to be in view. Deputy chairman of the party as well. Notjust any old mp but a senior one, to interview a conservative minister. I mean, if you look at it, a lot of the other broadcasters, lbc and those broadcasters, they have Mps Presenting shows and doing that anyway. But that is only one element of the show and the show is wider than that. So there will be someone from the other side of the. Somebody who is from the left making comment and somebody with a different view so we have an array of all views. So we follow the rule of Due Impartiality which is that you must have an array of views so that might be one element of the programme but that isjust one element. There are lots of other elements within the programme whereby there are a diverse range of opinion so its notjust one tiny, tiny. That is just one tiny section of it. But is the interview with lee anderson just him and Suella Braverman in the pub having a chat . No, because there are obviously other people around. So this is a part of a full show. But in the interview with the home secretary, there are other people there to provide that balance . The balance will be provided around the show so it is one show. So, if you have a show, you dont have to have those people sitting there with him throughout. You can have a part of a show where you will have somebody with an opinion and within the show there will be other opinions. It is all part of the same show. Do you think there are too many tory mps on gb news as presenters . Well, how many are there . I dont know the exact number because some come and go, dont they . How many is too many for you . I dont have a view of how many, i was asking you. I dont really look at it like that. We look for people who have a certain, who want to present and talk about the politics of things. If you look, as i said, lbc, they have had plenty of tory mps and labour mps and all sorts of mps going on there so we are not alone in doing that. Talk tv have mps on their programmes as well so i think it is pretty standard that mps appear and present programmes. Do you think it enriches the kind of Media Landscape and conversation, if you like, that in the mix now, in a way that didnt happen, say, ten years ago maybe five years ago, that you would have formats where a sitting mp, from whatever Political Party, interviews a fellow sitting mp from that same Political Party . Because journalistically, that is a Novel Concept in british broadcasting. And people will have a view as to whether it is terrible or great. But there are plenty of. Look, we dont have to do things the way we have always done it and gb news are a disruptor so we are changing the landscape of how things are done. And, you know, if that. As long as we show balance throughout, then that is what is imperative in this and that is the Due Impartiality that we are required to show with ofcom so as long as we comply with the rules, just like everybody else, ijust dont see the problem with it. On that concept of the sort of Due Impartiality, have you thought about how this model might work when theres a general election campaign, and the Impartiality Rules on broadcasters are even stricter than they are in normal times . Well, we just follow the same rules as everybody else. So, obviously youre not allowed to say, if they are electioneering and things like that, we are all in purdah, we cant say. There are certain things we cant do. So we work alongside everybody else. Were ofcom, regulated, just like the bbc. So, we follow the same rules. And talking about the bbc, what do you think about the new guidelines for tweeting . Sorry, x ing. What do we call it now . Posting on x. Im actually. Look, i left the bbc for the very reason that i was unable to speak or say anything. It seems a bit ridiculous. That is because of Due Impartiality, which is the very thing you were defending. No, no, well, thats why i left, so i could have a Due Impartiality. Thats what ijust said. I left. Because, to me, the bbc was very restrictive in what i could say, i had to follow a narrative. I wanted to have an opinion, i wanted more opinion, more views and opinions, which is why i left. 0k, what narrative do you think you felt you had to follow, out of interest . Well, lets talk about brexit, then. When it came to brexit, it was. Everyone was so remain, you literally couldnt say anything. Ill give you another example, black lives matter. At one point, my boss actually told me, asked me to do a piece to interview someone about an event to promote a black lives matter event. And i said, but theyre a marxist, left wing pressure group. They shouldnt be on the bbc, and thats not really. And i refused to do it. So it was sort of, no, this is the way we think and this is how it has to be. You know, you couldnt really discuss or question things like climate change. And i wanted to have a wider conversation about it. And so i felt that i was being literally as if someone was choking me, because i wasnt able to say anything, so i left. Specifically to be able to listen to more views and have more views. And so listening to this now, ijust think it is typical that they start allowing it, but that is because they cant defend it, because they cant defend having people like Carol Vorderman on air, making. With such hateful. Have you read some of the tweets she has made for people who are on the right and things . You cant have somebody on a state owned broadcaster coming out with Something Like that. Gary lineker, with his posts with regards to language that is akin to nazi germany, or germany in the 30s, which is nazi germany. He shouldnt be making comments on state owned broadcaster. On a state funded broadcaster, sorry. Itjust seems. So i dont believe the bbc, if you work for the bbc and you are high profile, i dont believe that you should be pushing your opinions, especially gary lineker. Thanks for coming back to the bbc tonight to speak to newscast. Thank you, i enjoyed it. Thank you very much. Thats news about the news. Lets talk about news about politics. Because Party Conference season has got under way. Chris, you have hotfooted it back from bournemouth, via glasgow. I have, yes. You know what, i shouldnt admit this, but im already a bit tired. Thats not a good sign. And ive only done, like, one day at the liberal democrats. So i was very much a part timer, because i turned up for ed davey, the leaders speech, and so was getting teased by colleagues about being a part timer, a tourist, a holiday maker, because they were all a little bit. Notjust my colleagues, but generally, when you get to the last day of any of the Party Conferences, the general sort of mood is one of exhaustion slash hangover, slash sleep deprivation. And ijust turned up for one day, i have only done one day. I had a little trip to scotland as well. But, yes, i can always feel a bit tired. And weve still got plenty more to come. Well, turning up in the Newscast Studio are two people who needed immense wealth of stamina at various points in their career. Justine greening, former conservative cabinet minister, hello. And asa bennett, a former adviser to liz truss. Great to be here. So, asa, cast your mind back to a year ago this week, liz truss was writing her Conference Speech with you. Calm period . Nice time, happy memories . It was surreal, looking back, for a very particular reason, yes, we know the political stakes, we knew what the Bin Fire Outside was like, and effectively it was the last Roll Of The Dice to try and save her leadership, while trying to stamp her mark of authority on the party and yet it was actually quite a calm writing process, because she knewl what she wanted to say. It was just editing, polishing, going through and looking at endless drafts. Just tweaking sentences, making sure its perfect. | yet at the same time, the reason i make this point is we were on the top of the midland hotel, in birmingham, and the protesters were playing their tunes throughout those days. And so we would be going through these drafts while id be hearing them pumping out things like the spitting image song, you know, throw a chicken| in the air, stick a deckchair of your nose, pounding through the windows. I youre like, must not laugh. And that big long speech ended up being about 22 minutes long in the end, once it was delivered, because you had to chuck so much of it out. Nearer 30 minutes. I think the only edit, really, was just for the 45p lines. I you were talking about how this time last year there was this sense of the Conference Speech being the last Roll Of The Dice. How soon after it, or maybe even before it, did you think shes not going to last . Even if, at that point, it could have been longer than the time frame it ended up panning out . When did you find yourself thinking, you know what, this is not rescuable . Well, certainly in the initial days afterwards, i allowed myself, i with close aides, to think it was a second wind, a new lease of life. Able to start discussing plans for a relaunch and christmas, new year,. A new leg to the premiership. But it was all stone dead, in my view, a week or so after when she had to come out |and say im sacking kwasi kwarteng. | justine, what you think the atmos is going to be like at tory conference this year . Because its a year before an election, youd think it would be quite gung ho, yay, lets go for it . I think its going to be quite tough. The issue of High Speed Two is clearly going to dominate it as well. Interestingly, i remember going to the conservative Party Conference last year, thinking liz truss should have resolved the 45p tax cut question. The worst thing to do is to leave it in the air. Because, actually, you knew she was going to have to back off it. I was pretty sure the rest of it would have to go as well. So i think for this year, what sunak needs to do, of course, is unite the party. He needs to actually bring the internal workings of the Conservative Party together. Hes launched policies on net zero that have caused a row in the party. He is maybe going down a route on High Speed Two thats caused a row in the party. One of the traditions, preconference, is that the pm does all these interviews with regional tv and local radio, as liz truss famously did. The highest rated episode of newscast ever, our supercut compilation of those interviews. So, lets listen to rishi sunak chatting to Annabel Tiffin from north west tonight about hs2. Is Hs2 Value For Money . Well, the h52 Business Case is public and everyone can see it. Do you think it is value for money . Well, you can see it when it is public. I Prime Minister, do you think it is value for money. You were a chancellor. I was. Actually, the last update was done before i was chancellor. But do you think its value for money . The reality of h52 is the costs have doubled since it was originally budgeted for in 2012. Thats just the reality. So thats no . There are lots of Different Reasons for that. Fundamentally, again, theres this fixation on one thing. Across the north, people use buses every day. I people use their cars every day. Its important that we are able to invest in all those forms i of transportation too, because those are incredibly good value for money and thats why we are doing that, too. Rishi sunak sounding quite hoarse already, which, if memory serves, is not a great thing before a Conference Speech. But lets see. Justine, what should he be doing about hs2 . And, of course, you were a Transport Secretary who gave a green light to hs2. Yeah, he should confirm its going ahead. In full, from euston to manchester . Yes. Yes, i personally think was a mistake to cut the yorkshire leg. The whole point of the strategy was to connect up this broader country to high speed rail. It would be the equivalent of saying, right, welljust Do The Motorway System to birmingham. And thats a good idea. So. It costs so much more now than when you were sat behind the desk. And there is a treasury spreadsheet always there that says, no, this is all too much. At what that mises is the Opportunity Cost of not at what that misses is the Opportunity Cost of not doing it, the potential, the Economic Growth that is unlocked by getting on with this. If youd taken this attitude in victorian times, we wouldnt have the rail network today. People would have said, oh, thats quite expensive, why do we need that . But, actually, we get the value of that literally 140, 150 years later. These are long term projects. It is hard to value that long term value. But its undoubtedly there. Asa, i wonder how you read this, both politically and also the machinations of how its played out . Because weve kind of had a look into the workings of government, with the bonnet up, courtesy of this photo that was taken by steve back, legendary westminster political photographer, snapping that half an a4 page with some of the numbers around hs2 in the meeting that the Prime Minister and the chancellor had. Which led them to be asked questions about whether or not they could commit to the whole thing and not be able to answer them. And now they find themselves in this bind where they are not answering them, the questions keep coming, they are clearly trying to work out what they want to say. But they havent got the benefit of time, because the hare is already running. Well, weve seen that i when the Prime Minister comes off the fence, he can definitely do so with a bang on things like net zero. He clearly is itching to come off the fence on hsz. His treasury mind will bej telling him that the costs are through the roof, i something must be done. At the same time, the statesman in him wants to have legacy projects. And this is the bind he finds himself in. We know that he clearly was trying to sit down with the chancellor, i jeremy hunt, and make decisions on this. And he seems to, i think, to have been almost overwhelmed by the strength of backlash in response to it. But this is the challenge, isnt it . Because the city of manchester, the people of manchester are about to host the Conservative Party how can you turn up there when you are not willing to answer probably the most strategic question the city asks, which is, is this key rail line coming to us or not . I wonder what each of you would say to the sort of question, if you had rishi sunak on the other side of this table, what should he do in manchester . What does he need to do . Notjust on a question like hs2, but the big vision thing, after a year of trying to stabilise the ship of government, to give himself and give the party the best chance of being as competitive as they can be in the next year . Hes got to deliver on a promise of equality of opportunity, and have some real ambition. This country has ingrained inequality of opportunity. That is notjust going to change. You are going to have to take Strategic Decisions to make things different. High speed two is one of those, but by no means the only one. He should be going to conference with a bold package to give people a sense of genuine change. At the moment, hes got a conundrum. He says its about change, but the net zero case was, actually, lets do change a bit slower. He says its about change, but the High Speed Two decision is, well, actually, lets not change this bit of the country, they dont need a High Speed Railway line. So, hes got to be bold. But its about having the right vision that will really deliver on a promise that won the Conservative Party a landslide, which was levelling up. Do you think he has it in him . Well, time will tell. But i dont think. That sounds like a no. Ive not seen a sufficiently ambitious plan to tackle the level of challenge that britain has, and we have to see the Levelling Up Promise delivered on, and its an economic question as much as anything else. Its going to be talent and Human Capital that wins the economic races in the 21st century. And therefore, the Conservative Party really needs a comprehensive plan as to how its going to deliver on that vision. I it strikes me that rishi sunak is| gearing up to run on, effectively, a Money Saving Expert manifesto. Because when you see how he justified the change on net zero, he kept saying, you know, im going to take the tough decisions. Im not going to have you paying thousands of pounds more to hit net zero. He wants to do it in a way thats affordable for families. Thus he opens the Dividing Line with labour of, well, they would make you pay through the nose for net zero and their environmental greeny plans, im sensible. In the same breath, i you can imagine h52, whatever way he lands on this, i clearly he is going to have to pose as the champion of the public purse. I think thats going to be the theme that runs through so much of this. He is going to say that effectively he is on the side of people, i hard working people, their pay packets. I youre going to have| lots of refrains about the pound in your pocket. This is the kind of martin lewis pm, effectively. I and i suppose youve kind of got to do that, because there is not money around for the traditional pre election tax cuts. So the only way you can help people financially is by stopping imposing costs, i suppose. But technocrats dont win elections, people take it as given that you are going to run the country effectively. You dont get any brownie prizes for being competent. They dont want you managing decline. Gordon brown, theresa may, decent people. Thats not enough. What people want to see is where you are taking the country. The reality is, on issues like social mobility, there is a huge part of the solution that comes from outside of government. Its about businesses changing as well. Its not all about spending more money through a failing system. Its about changing the system, that is a fundamentally different objective than just saving a few taxpayer pounds. Well, youve taken us to the end of this episode of newscast. So, thank you for everyone who hasjoined us in this episode of newscast. You can listen to our daily podcast episodes on bbc sounds. Bye bye. Newscast. Newscast, from the bbc. Good afternoon. It was a fine start to the last day of september, albeit a little chilly, but rain is now moving in on this area of low pressure here. That will bring some rather wet weather across Northern Ireland, much of northern and western england and wales throughout the remainder of daylight today, but further north across scotland, staying fine and dry as it should do across southern and eastern areas, and still feeling quite warm. But with this rain, there are some really quite lively gusts of wind to come as well, which will make it feel a bit cooler, and fog over the hills around some of the coasts as well. But it is mild and muggy air thats pushing northwards, so we should still see the 19s and 20s, and temperatures wont drop much overnight, because although a lot of the rain as it sweeps its Way Northwards and eastwards clears away, we are left with a legacy of cloud, More Rain Coming in across parts of england and wales through the night, and some mist and fog even at lower levels further south. Look at the temperatures 16 to 17. Thats around what wed see during the day at this time of year. And thats because were pulling in some humid air, and that will be around for the next couple of days. That means not only mist and fog over the hills and around the coast but at lower levels to the south of our weather front first thing sunday. To the north, it looks like a brighter day, just a scattering of showers really for scotland and Northern Ireland, but this rain ever present for parts of england and wales, and cumbria could see 30 or 40 millimetres of rain before it starts to clear away, and it might well still clear away from the north during the latter part of tomorrow afternoon. But ahead of that system, 23, 24, but even with the rain further north, 18 to 20 degrees. It is really mild air, which will still hang around during sunday night and into monday, with further pulses of energy, if you like, running along this same weatherfront, and given the fact it is very warm air, we could get some quite significant thunderstorms across england and wales in particular, as we head through sunday night into monday. It will be sunny spells and scattered showers for monday again across scotland and Northern Ireland, but these could be really intense gusty winds with them, and even some hail, but still warm, because it is warm air. And again, we could start the day with some mist and fog as well through the morning rush as we will see on sunday. Beyond that, it looks showery across scotland and Northern Ireland as we go through the week, but we will see temperatures building in the south. Goodbye for now. Live from london. This is bbc news. 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