Agency in gaza that they will run out of fuel tomorrow. And we will turn our focus to new york, where the Un Security Council has been meeting today. Representatives form israel and palestine both had scathing remarks about the response of the un. Welcome to The Programme. One of the two israeli women released last night, after being taken hostage by hamas, has spoken about her ordeal. Yocheved lifshitz, whos 85, said shed been through hell. Her husband, who is 83, is still being held. Israel estimates 220 hostages are still in gaza, after being abducted in the attacks of october 7th. Hamas, which is designated a Terrorist Group by the uk, said the release was for humanitarian reasons. Meanwhile, israel is continuing its aerial bombardment. At least 700 people were killed in gaza in the past 2a hours, according to hamas officials. They also say the total number killed is now more than 5,700, including more than 2,000 children. 0ur International Editor jeremy bowen reports and a warning, it contains some very distressing images. After the doctors had examined yocheved lifschitz, she came out of the hospital in tel aviv saying she went through hell in gaza, from the moment hamas took her as a hostage. Translation l was laying on a motorcycle, my body on one side and my legs on the other, and the hamas men beat me on the way. They didnt break my ribs, but hurt me very much. Like so many israelis, shes astounded by the failure of her countrys army and intelligence to protect them. The army wasnt prepared. We were the government scapegoats. Hamas warned us three weeks ahead. They burned our fields and the army somehow didnt take it seriously. And hamass Detailed Planning extended to Hostage Taking too. They seemed ready for this. They had prepared for a long time and had everything the hostages needed, even shampoo and conditioner. Running this war is getting complicated for the israeli government. The northern border with lebanon is heating up. Thousands of troops have been sent there and border towns evacuated in case of war with irans lebanese ally, hezbollah. Prime minister netanyahu has visited the troops near gaza, but he hasnt ordered them to invade yet. 50 without a ground war in gaza to define the state of this crisis, other things are, starting with the hostages. In tel aviv, ehud barak, former Prime Minister and army commander, saw painful choices ahead. Is it possible for israel to invade the gaza strip with Ground Troops if there are still hostages in the hands of hamas . If there is no other way, well have to do it, because the alternative is to provide those barbarian Crimes Against Humanity Get Impunity due to the fact that they massacred, slaughtered probably 1,500 people. And a very painful and tough decision might have to be made. 0n the west bank, The Other Side of the palestinian territories, israel has settled Hundreds Of Thousands Ofjews in defiance of international law. The hardest Core Ofjewish settlers whove seized remote hilltops are seen by many israelis as isolated extremists. But now their effective leaders are in the israeli cabinet. On this hilltop near hebron, the settlers who believe theyre here by gods will are armed, and say the hamas massacres mean more mainstream israelis will agree with them. They said that weapons were for self defence, but that now must change. Translation in a war, you have a gun and a trigger. And for those who dont understand yet, we are at war. A war where The Other Side shows no mercy. And we need to be the same. Theres no choice. For palestinians on the west bank, these are violent days. Mohammad, aged 20, was one of two young men killed in an israeli army Arrest Operation at Jalazone Refugee Camp near ramallah. 95 west Bank Palestinians have been killed by Israeli Security forces since hamas broke out of gaza. As they waited for the funeral, it was quiet and tense. People are talking about anger at what the israelis have done and a sense of uncertainty and fear about what might be happening next. This is a long and intractable conflict, but it had some certainties. It had a certain shape, a status quo. Thats all changed. 0n the way to the cemetery, the flags were from the main palestinian factions fatah, hamas and islamichhad. Significantly, we couldnt see any armed palestinians at the funeral, perhaps because israel is tight control over the west bank for now. But the danger that a serious incident could ignite the west bank is real. Jeremy bowen, bbc news, jerusalem. Lets hear from our Diplomatic Correspondent paul adams, in jerusalem. Canl can ijust can i just start can ijust start by can i just start by asking can ijust start by asking you about where we are right now with the aid situation, getting into gaza . Absolutely no eta got in at all today, louis, iunderstand absolutely no eta got in at all today, louis, i understand that the latest convoy of trucks has been stuck at the crossing between egypt and the gaza strip between ten hours, thats where all the inspections take place that israel demands to make sure nothing is getting in that could be of use to hamas, and that the trucks carry on the food, water and medicine. We dont know what the nature of the holdup is, but the other thing thats causing the un grave concern is the fact that they say they will run out of fuel tomorrow the fuel they need to transport the aid, for hospitals to function. The israelis hit back on that, saying they posted on social media a Satellite Image of a dozen fuel tanks just inside the gaza strip close to the rafah crossing. They say those things contain 500,000 l of fuel, and the caption that a company to that photograph was ask hamas if you can have some. The implication is that israel believes hamas is holding fuel, that there is fuel for the un should they choose to use it, but that hamas is keeping it for itself. I cant tell you the truth of the matter. Ive asked and have not received any satisfactory answer, but theres clearly an issue and its coming to a head tomorrow, and theres no agreement about how the un can deal with that situation. Paul, thanks very much for that. Returning to the issue of hostages, as we heard injeremy bowens report. Lets speak to scott walker, a hostage negotiator, former un adviser, and author of order out of chaos. And rachel briggs, Hostage Expert and ceo of the clarity factory, a security think tank and consultancy. Thanks to you both for coming on The Programme. This is a hugely delicate and complicated issue. Rachel, if we canjust and complicated issue. Rachel, if we can just start with you two more hostages released, two released last week, so we are up to four. So what does that tell you, if anything at all . It does that tell you, if anything at all . ,. ,. All . It tells you things are moving forward, all . It tells you things are moving forward. It all . It tells you things are moving forward, it tells all . It tells you things are moving forward, it tells you all . It tells you things are moving forward, it tells you that all . It tells you things are moving forward, it tells you that theres l forward, it tells you that theres been progress in the negotiations, theres even a slight amount of goodwill emerging between them, and that weve got some Forward Momentum here. So its an entirely positive sign of positive development. Scott, the idea of hostage sign of positive development. Scott, the idea of Hostage Negotiations, i suppose just take us in, what kind of conversations, what kind of things that are talked about here . I think its important at the outset to stipulate thatjust think its important at the outset to stipulate that just because you negotiate with somebody, it doesnt mean negotiate with somebody, it doesnt mean that negotiate with somebody, it doesnt mean that you agree or are condoning, orare mean that you agree or are condoning, or are even giving into their condoning, or are even giving into their demands. Its opening up a dialogue their demands. Its opening up a dialogue where you can work through the challenges and build some trust that both the challenges and build some trust that both sides can have faith that the other that both sides can have faith that The Other Side will follow through what they say theyll do. It takes time what they say theyll do. It takes time but. What they say theyll do. It takes time but, as weve seen, the mediators time but, as weve seen, the mediators and negotiators here have had some mediators and negotiators here have had some time over the last few years had some time over the last few years in building those relationships in the first place. So b relationships in the first place. Sr by relationships here, do you mean interpersonal relationships between the two sides, whoever is doing the negotiating, as well as things like offerors or external pressures, the actual chemistry between the people involved matters . Yes. Actual chemistry between the people involved matters . Involved matters . Yes, the relationship involved matters . Yes, the relationship would involved matters . Yes, the relationship would have involved matters . Yes, the I Relationship would have been involved matters . Yes, the relationship would have been there, as the relationship would have been there, as the qatar ease and the hamas leadership. But even if you dont know leadership. But even if you dont know the leadership. But even if you dont know The Other Side whom youre sitting know The Other Side whom youre sitting across from, you have to build sitting across from, you have to build that sitting across from, you have to build that trust. As hard as it is, you have build that trust. As hard as it is, you have to build that trust. As hard as it is, you have to suspend yourjudgment of the other you have to suspend yourjudgment of The Other Side and listen to what their The Other Side and listen to what their needs and demands are, and once their needs and demands are, and once youve their needs and demands are, and once youve done that, youve than almost once youve done that, youve than almost got once youve done that, youve than almost got the right to articulate what almost got the right to articulate what it almost got the right to articulate what it is almost got the right to articulate what it is that you want in return. I what it is that you want in return. I see what it is that you want in return. I see. Rachel, what it is that you want in return. Isee. Rachel, if what it is that you want in return. I see. Rachel, ifi what it is that you want in return. I see. Rachel, if i could put the numbers to you, as i mentioned, we are up to four, but israel believes theres 200 plus here when youre up theres 200 plus here when youre up to that kind of number, what kind of challenges does that bring . From the hostaue of challenges does that bring . From the hostage takerss of challenges does that bring . Ffr� fl the hostage takerss perspective, its quite a practical headache. Holding one person against their will successfully for a prolonged period of time is difficult enough, but holding that many people, as your Previous Report showed, these are terrible conditions on the ground in gaza, getting water and electricity, getting food and fuel, very difficult. So theyll have the practical problems of holding them, keeping them safe. These Mass Hostage Cases are very, very tricky. From The Other Side, you know, theres a real coordination challenge here. We arentjust talking about negotiations between the israelis and hamas, or indeed 30 countries such as qatar and egypt, we know they are involved in helping bring home the two elderly women yesterday. The americans and brits have a view, all those other countries have got nationals held by hamas currently i defer to scott on the challenge of negotiation, but its an extraordinary headache of pure coordination on our parts to make sure there is even a chance of a singular dialogue going on here and make sure we dont end up splintering off on our side, and that our side of the alliance holds together on this. Together on this. Scott, with the 200 lus together on this. Scott, with the 200 plus still together on this. Scott, with the 200 plus still being together on this. Scott, with the 200 plus still being held, together on this. Scott, with the 200 plus still being held, the i 200 plus still being held, the idea of debriefing hostages that have got out, talk us through that, how useful can that be . It out, talk us through that, how useful can that be . Useful can that be . It can be externally useful can that be . It can be externally useful. Useful can that be . It can be externally useful. 0bviously| useful can that be . It can be externally useful. Obviously anybody who goes externally useful. Obviously anybody who goes through a traumatic experience like being taken hostage will respond to in different ways. Once will respond to in different ways. Once theres a medical checkup being done afterwards and theyve united with their done afterwards and theyve united with their families, there will be a hot debrief where theyll them easily hot debrief where theyll them easily try to get any information that is easily try to get any information that is time sensitive who can be used that is time sensitive who can be used to that is time sensitive who can be used to rescue or negotiate to release used to rescue or negotiate to release the hostages, and of course over the release the hostages, and of course over the days and weeks, further dehrief over the days and weeks, further debrief will be taking place. Sometimes they need to take it slower sometimes they need to take it slower than others to find out exactly slower than others to find out exactly what were the conditions like, exactly what were the conditions like. What exactly what were the conditions like, what were the captors like, what like, what were the captors like, what was like, what were the captors like, what was the morale like, for example . What was the morale like, for example . Were the the Guards A Cohereht example . Were the the Guards A Coherent force or were they arguing amongst coherent force or were they arguing amongst themselves . All that is helpful amongst themselves . All that is helpful in amongst themselves . All that is helpful in building up an intelligence picture. It� s helpful in building up an intelligence picture. Helpful in building up an intelliaence icture. V. Intelligence picture. Its a crucial and sensitive intelligence picture. Its a crucial and sensitive issue, intelligence picture. Its a crucial and sensitive issue, thank intelligence picture. Its a crucial and sensitive issue, thank you. Intelligence picture. Its a crucial. And sensitive issue, thank you both for your insights. Scott and rachel, thank you. Around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. Lets look at some other stories making news. Everton chairman bill kenwright, an acclaimed West End Theatre and film producer, has died at the age of 78. He was also know for Playing Gordon Clegg in Coronation Street between 1968 and 2012. In a statement, everton said they lost a chairman, a leader, a friend and an inspiration. Threejust stop Oil Protesters have been sentenced to i2 Month Community orders after briefly interrupting play during an ashes test at lords cricket ground. They must complete 60 hours of unpaid work and pay about £400 in legal costs. They said their aim was to create headlines for their Climate Change protest. The cap On Bankers Bonuses will be lifted at the end of october, as part of a post brexit shake up of financial rules. The plan was announced by the then chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng last year, as a way of making london a more attractive place to do business youre live with bbc news. Lets take a look at diplomacy now. In the past week, we have seen a number of World Leaders head to israel to offer support and try to de escalate the crisis. Today, it was Emmanuel Macron of france. Here he is next to israels Prime Minister, benjamin netanyahu. He expressed solidarity with israel, and says the first objective of the war should be to free all hostages. He says it was israels duty to fight against hamas, but he warned against enlarging the conflict. Take a listen. I consider that this is an International Coalition in order to fight against this Terrorist Group that we have to deal. Ijust reminded my people in my language what we discussed about fight against terrorism, humanitarian action, rules to be respected, but as well, political process. And obviously i warned against an escalation and i warned hezbollah and some other regimes not to be part of whats happening. I know how committed you are. Let me express once again my solidarity, my friendship and the fact that france stands with you. In new york, there is a meeting of the Un Security Council under way. Un Secretary General Antonio Guterres condemned the hamas attacks and said he was deeply concerned about what he described as clear violations of International Humanitarian law in gaza. He said even war has rules, and that the hamas attack on October The 7th did not take place in a vacuum. Nothing canjustify the deliberate killing, injuring, and kidnapping of civilians or the launching of rockets against civilian targets. All hostages must be treated humanely and released immediately and without conditions. It is important to also recognise the attacks by hamas did not happen in a vacuum. The Palestinian People have been subjected to 56 years of suffocating occupation. Well, the Israeli Foreign minister was clearly not impressed with the Secretary General gutteres comments. Take a listen. These kids witnessed all which cannot be described by words. Mr Secretary General, in what world do you live . Definitely, this is not our world. Radio chatter this is a terrorist of hamas. What he said in there in arab, hes telling to his mother and father. That he is proud that he has blood of tenjewish that he murdered. L what monster they gave birth to . Secretary general, this. Is the world that we live. Foreign minister eli cohen there. In the last hour, we have heard that he has also cancelled a planned meeting with Secretary General guterres that was scheduled for this evening. We also heard from the Top Palestinian Authority diplomat. The ongoing massacres being deliberately and systematically and savagely perpetrated by israel, the occupying power, against the palestinian civilian population under its illegal occupation, must be stopped. The Security Council has a duty to stop them. The International Community is obliged, under international law, to stop them. It is our collective human duty to stop them. Now, continued failure at this council is inexcusable. Lets ta ke lets take you live to new york to show you the meeting is still ongoing, we are keeping our eyes and ears across it. Joining me is Lieutenant General mark schwartz, former us security coordinator for israel and the palestinian authority, who is now with the rand corporation, an american non profit organisation. Thank you very much for coming on The Programme. Thank you very much for coming on The Programme thank you very much for coming on The Programme. Thank you, its good To Be With You The Programme. Thank you, its good To Be With You. Can The Programme. Thank you, its good To Be With You. Can i The Programme. Thank you, its good To Be With You. Can ijust get The Programme. Thank you, its good To Be With You. Can i just get your. To be with you. Can i ust get your reaction first h To Be With You. Can i ust get your reaction first of To Be With You. Can i ust get your reaction first of all To Be With You. Can ijust get your reaction first of all to To Be With You. Can ijust get your reaction first of all to the reaction first of all to the diplomacy and words weve heard from around that table this afternoon . Well, i think there are two realities. Certainly the reality that from the 7th of october, and the families of the victims of that horrific terrorist attack, and the subsequent kidnapping of 200 israelis that are still being held by hamas, but theres also the reality of the Palestinian People. And i think its accurate and important to highlight what is happening inside of gaza, specifically with the impact of the Ongoing Campaign for preparation for the Ground Offensive. And as important, but not spoken a lot about, orthe important, but not spoken a lot about, or the ongoing confrontations that are occurring between the Israeli Security forces in the west bank, the settlers, provocations by settlers in the west bank and the violence that ensued by certainly well before the 7th of october, but in earnest since the october seven terrorist attack. I in earnest since the october seven terrorist attack. Terrorist attack. I want to bring in the role of terrorist attack. I want to bring in the role of the terrorist attack. I want to bring in the role of the us terrorist attack. I want to bring in the role of the us here terrorist attack. I want to bring in the role of the us here terrorist attack. I want to bring in the role of the us here what,. Terrorist attack. I want to bring in j the role of the us here what, in the role of the us here what, in your eyes, is the role, what is it in practice, in relation to its strong allied relationship with israel . And what do you think it ought to be trying to do . Certainly as we know. Ought to be trying to do . Certainly as we know, they ought to be trying to do . Certainly as we know, they are ought to be trying to do . Certainly as we know, they are our ought to be trying to do . Certainly| as we know, they are our strongest ally in the region and we are given unequivocal support to the israeli government, certainly to the military to include the recent deployment of not only the two carrier strikers, deployment of not only the two carrierstrikers, but deployment of not only the two carrier strikers, but also senior Military Advisers to share our lessons that we experienced in iraq, and subsequent to the liberation of most sold by isis. So very important, but also what we are doing to emphasise the importance of alleviating the humanitarian suffering thats ongoing in gaza, as well as the west bank. Not well known but the us has historically been the largest single donor of support to the Palestinian People for both humanitarian assistance, as well as Security Assistance in the west bank. So i think its important that we continue to emphasise the rules of law when it comes to warfare, but also to do all we can in speaking with israel certainly, but also the broader International Community, to alleviate the humanitarian suffering thats occurring in gaza. find humanitarian suffering thats occurring in gaza. Humanitarian suffering thats occurring in gaza. And there have been reports occurring in gaza. And there have been reports in occurring in gaza. And there have been reports in us occurring in gaza. And there have been reports in us media occurring in gaza. And there have been reports in us media that. Occurring in gaza. And there have | been reports in us media that the Biden Administration has been urging israel to delay any Ground Incursion into gaza, more time for Hostage Negotiations is the preemption. Do you think thats happening, or ought to be happening . To be happening . There is certainly dialouue to be happening . There is certainly dialogue occurring, to be happening . There is certainly dialogue occurring, while to be happening . There is certainly dialogue occurring, while theres i dialogue occurring, while theres ongoing discussions and negotiations and weve seen as youve just reported the release of four hostages, two american and two israeli, and ideally therell be many more in the coming days. Sol do think, while dialogue is ongoing, its important that the Ground Offensive is not that has not commenced because once that occurs, i believe any type of dialogue with hamas with respect to releasing the hostages will cease. I think whats also occurring Behind The Scenes is the discussion of the strategic objective beyond just the democrat eliminating hamass military and political capabilities, but also what will gaza look like it subsequently . What will gaza look like It Subseuuentl . ,. , subsequently . Lieutenant general, Thank Ou Subsequently . Lieutenant general, thank you very subsequently . Lieutenant general, thank you very much subsequently . Lieutenant general, thank you very much for subsequently . Lieutenant general, thank you very much for your subsequently . Lieutenant general, thank you very much for your time, we are right out of time, i appreciate your analysis, thank you. Im lewis vaughanjones, this is bbc news. Hello there. The last week of october is looking fairly unsettled weather wise, with showers or longer spells of rain driven by areas of low pressure moving in off the atlantic, with associated Weather Fronts bringing the wet weather and some strengthening winds through the channel by the end of the weekend. Lets take a look at this evening. You can see weve got some outbreaks of rain across the North East Of England clearing away, but actually all attention down towards parts of south wales, in towards devon and cornwall, and wet weather drifting east through dorset, hampshire, the isle of wight, towards sussex as well, and into kent. And its here that we have a met Office Yellow warning force for that heavy rain overnight. Drier elsewhere, under clear skies through west wales, north west england, Northern Ireland. Western scotland, Chilly At Times three celsius there in glasgow, colder in the countryside. To wednesday, and the overnight rain in the south east beginning to clear away. And for many, wednesday is a reasonable day plenty of dry and bright weather around, but also some large areas of cloud and some showery outbreaks of rain. The wet weather in the southeast eventually clears mid to late morning, and then some sunshine through the midlands and wales begins to extend further east towards east anglia. Cloudier skies through Northern Ireland and indeed across scotland. Outbreaks of rain pushing in across Eastern Scotland from the north sea and into the central belt at times too. And then towards thursday now, that broad area of low pressure sticking with us, its associated Weather Fronts bringing further showery outbreaks of rain, and some of that wet weather will be persistent at times. In between, though, there will be some brighter skies through parts of wales, the midlands and parts of south east england. That wet weather, though, becoming confined towards the North East Of England and across central and Eastern Scotland. Just seeing those accumulations of rain totting up exactly where we dont want them. Temperature wise, around 9 15 celsius north to south. Its a similar picture on friday. You can see the swirl of the cloud and rain associated with that area of low pressure, so it remains unsettled. A keen east wind through scotland, and some of that rain becoming confined and slow moving through Eastern Parts of scotland as well. Elsewhere, some sunshine and some showers or longer spells of rain. Temperatures once again around 9 15 celsius. And as we approach the last weekend of october, it remains unsettled. Indeed, it remains unsettled into next week, too. Thats the forecast for now. Hello, im lewis vaughanjones. Youre watching the context on bbc news. A Un Aid Agency warns it will stop work within 2a hours unless urgent deliveries of fuel arrive. It said 20 lorries that had been due to deliver aid today had not entered gaza. Sport and for a full round up, from the bbc sport centre, heres tulsen. We start with football on a busy night of Champions League action with eight matches taking place across europe. One of which is at old trafford with Manchester United desperately needing to kickstart their campaign. Theyre up against copenhagen currently goalless. Bayern munich top the group after Beating Galatasary 3 i harry kane with bayerns second. Well before united kicked off against copenhagen, they paid tribute to their former captain sir bobby charlton, after he passed away at the weekend. As well as plenty of tributes outside the group from fans and the general public, the club held a special tribute to sir bobby which included laying a wreath in his seat in the directors box and a minutes silence before the match kicked off. Elsewhere in the Champions League, its already been a good night for inter milan as they beat red bull salzberg 2 i to go top of group d. But they will drop down to second if Real Sociedad can beat benfica thats currently goalless. Elsewhere, arsenal are trying to get back to winning ways,
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