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Is there any precedent for these unpresident ial acts . Almost 74 million votes. I have a great panel of historians to discuss that, and the legacy of trumps term in office. An eyeopening discovery that may save your life one day. A way to edit the genetic code itself. A newly minted Nobel Laureate tells me about the promise of crispr. But first, heres my take. More than 150 million americans made their own personal decisions when they voted in this years election, but it is now the unenviable job of commentators to explain the meaning of those choices. At the broadest level its fair to say that the vote was a repudiation of donald trump. President s rarely lose their bids for reelection. Only five in the last 125 years and trump has won as few electoral votes as his nemesis, hillary clinton, did last time and he lost the popular vote by a larger margin than when jimmy carter defeated gerald ford in the wake of watergate. And yet its obvious that the country remains deeply divided. After an impeachment, a pandemic, and the worst economic paralysis since the great depression, republicans overwhelmingly voted for their party and democrats did the same. Polarization is now deep, tribal and existential, largely unaffected by events for job performance. When things get bad in sports, it seems to have become a greater test of loyalty to stay with your team. Democrats are more disappointed because they had hoped that this election would be one that Resoundingly Repudiated Trump and realigned politics. Those expectations were fed by their success in 2018 as well as preelection polls which seemed to have been just about as inaccurate as those in 2016. The largest disappointment surely should be that in a year in which democrats fully embraced ideas about multiculturism and movements like black lives matter, donald trump appears to have won the second largest share of the minority vote of any republican since 1976 according to exit polls. He won the largest percentage of the black votes since 1996, but he still only got 12 . He won 35 of the muslim vote. What happened . There are probably many answers. Partly James Carvell is still right. It is the economy, stupid. Many of these groups prospered during most of trumps presidency and they seem unwilling to blame him for the handling of the pandemic and the ensuing economic collapse. To the extent that democrats were associated with lockdowns and republicans with reopening the economy, covid19 may have actually helped President Trump with some as well. But my own interpretation of these results is informed by feelings i have always had about the Democratic Partys ideology of multiculturism. It lumps a wide variety of ethnic, racial and religious groups into one minority monolith and approaches them from a perspective that does not fit us all. The dominant democratic approach is that minorities face deep systemic discrimination in america and need to be protected with active measures by the government across a series of fronts. This idea is rooted in the experience of blacks for whom it is entirely applicable. Americas treatment of blacks has been cruel with policies that have broken their families and treated them either as subhumans or secondclass citizens. Historical structural barriers have left a Lasting Imprint and discrimination still persists to this day. Other immigrants to america almost all of whom came voluntary, not bound in chains, have had a very different experience. While we have also encountered discrimination and exclusion, we have found a country that on the whole has been far more open and receptive to foreigners than most other places. That means that an ideology born of the treatment of African Americans will ring false to american immigrants and their descendants. For us, Harsh Treatment by White Americans is not the single searing experience that shapes our politics. Some of us are socially liberal, others conservative, some view themselves as selfreliant entrepreneurs, and some seek to assimilate by distancing themselves from newer immigrants or blacks. Some of the most racist americans i know are themselves minorities. Even blacks vary much more widely on policy than might be imagined. A recent gallup poll, for instance, found that only 19 of blacks want less Police Presence in their neighborhoods while 61 want the same amount and 20 actually want more. So slogans like defund the place pushed by the most woke activists on twitter might unwittingly turn off mainstream African Americans. Let me give you a personal example to explain one minority mindset. Ever since i applied for a scholarship to colleges in the United States 39 years ago, i have almost always left blank the line on the form that asks for my ethnic or racial classification except when its legally required as in the census. I just dont feel right piggybacking on tragedies that have affected blacks, Native Americans and others who have truly faced discrimination. Most of all, to quote a great american, i have always wanted to be judged by the content of my character, not the color of my skin. The Democratic Party should remember that for many minorities our greatest aspiration is simply to be regular americans, treated no worse, but no better either. Go to cnn. Com fareed for a link to my Washington Post column, and lets get started. Tuesday will mark four weeks since the u. S. Election and former Vice President biden has passed 18 million in the popular vote and 306 votes in the Electoral College which meets on december 14th. Just about every world leader with a few notable exceptions has congratulated biden on his victory. Just about every legal challenge from the trump team has crumbled and no credible evidence of widespread fraud has been offered. Yet the man sitting in the oval office has yet to concede and few Senior Republicans have acknowledged the elections results. How will history look on this. I am joined by three eminent historians. Doris Kerns Goodwin wrote an absolutely fantastic book about Franklin Roosevelt. Jon meacham won the pulitzer prize. He advises joe biden occasionally on major speeches. Niall ferguson has written The Rothchild Family to world war i to henry kissinger. He is a Senior Fellow at the hoover institution. Niall, let me start with you and ask you, what do you think is the message in biden being elected, trump being denied a second term, but the senate apparently staying republican, the democrats not doing so well in the house . Make sense of that. Well, i am going to disagree with your monologue, fareed, which is very presumptuous of me. What you said, you began by saying the country was deeply divided and then you went on to show that actually when you look at voting, it cut across racial divisions quite clearly. And i would argue this election has been the victory of the Center Running against a great deal of media commentary, some of yours, that foresaw a constitutional crisis, if not an outright civil war. This election wasnt the 1860 election that led to civil war after lincolns victory. It wasnt 1876 when a bunch of states sent Rival Electors to washington and the whole thing ended up being stitched up in a rather seamy deal. In fact for me the most surprising is you had the highest turnout since 1900, both sides successfully mobilizing voters. But the country collectively voted for the center ground. Joe biden, the personification of the political middle, emerged just victorious, but a very narrow victory. In fact, by the standards of the Democratic Party, the narrowest and weakest showing since 1884 because every president since Grover Cleveland on the democratic side has come into office with both houses of congress in democratic hands and that seems likely not to be the case unless the democrats can pull off a surprise success in the georgia runoffs. If you look at the way people voted, there were clearly republicans who voted for down ballot republican candidates but not for donald trump. He underperformed, the candidates for the senate and house in a bunch of places. So i think the country actually collectively voted for the middle ground and repudiated trumps more extreme positions. Ultimately people had had enough of him and they repudiated the radical agenda of the socialist left of the Democratic Party. I am left in a cheerful mood in the wake of this result relative to those people who predicted the downfall of the republic. Jon meacham, do you look at it that way . What im struck by is the courts have held up very well. I think they have shot down 38 of trumps lawsuits. Had it not been for a series of small number of State Republicans who went against what the president was urging them to do, who went against what their party often was telling them to do, and actually chose to certify results or not entertain or indulge arguments of voter fraud, it could have looked somewhat different, or, you know, is it is nialls benign sense that the system worked the right way to look at it . I think both are true. If i could offer an angle very briefly, i think he is right. I think the premise of your question is right. The rule of law has held just barely. But thats what Human Governments do, right . The framers understood that most of what we would want to do would be bad. I am adherent to the notion that the constitution is fundamentally a calvinist document. It assumes that we are sinful and fallen and frail and fallible. So we are checking and balancing our appetites and ambitions. And in extremists, which is where many of us, including me, believe we have been in the last three years or so, four years or so, there were people who stood up and followed the rule of law, which is essential. In the line attributed to churchill, you could always count on the americans to do the right thing once we exhausted every other possibility. We came awfully close there. I believe this was an election, in my mind, has restored a conversation that dominated American Politics between 1933 and 2017. It was a figurative one between a position largely defined by fdr and by lbj on one end, and on the other end by Ronald Reagan and george w. Bush. And every president through obama governed as part of that conversation. The last four years have not been a sequential chapter. I believe that a biden presidency will be a sequential chapter to that historical conversation. Doris, does joe biden come in with a mandate . I mean, certainly not a mandate like fdr came in in 1932. But when you look at other ones, what does he come into office with kind of an ideological Momentum Terms . Well, i think the crisis provides him with a mandate for a hunger for leadership, number one. I mean, that was the hunger that brought fdr in. In fdrs time it was easier. They said they forgot to be democrats and republicans because they wanted to respond to the crisis. This is a huge crisis were facing. I think there was a hunger and still will be with National Plans to deal with it. What it reminds me more even more than fdr and the depression because he had a larger mandate is when Teddy Roosevelt comes in. The similarities between then and now are so great. The industrial order was shaking up the economy much as globalization and the tech order have today. We have this huge gap between the rich and the poor. You had people in the city who were suspicious of people in the country. You had sectionalism. Teddy warned people in different sections and classes were viewing each other as the other rather than as common american citizens, that kind of tribal politics we are seeing today. But leadership was able to come in at his level and argue for a square deal. This goes back to what niall was saying, a square deal for the rich and poor so as long as rich act fairly. So long as the unions act with wisdom. He was going to deal with the worst aspects of the industrial order and he was able to use public sentiment by Mobilizing The Press to pressure the congressmen to do what they wanted to do. So if you take a look at that and then you bring lbj in and he realized you couldnt deal with just the leaders of the party. He brought them into the white house so they had an individual relationship with him. Joe biden is the kind of person who could do that. They had dinner, theyd go through the mansion, theyd talk and have drinks and then he would call them the next day and never stopped calling them, even called them at 2 00 a. M. Somehow the responsibility of the new president , he may not have that mandate out there, he has to build one, build one through the individual congressman, below the mcconnells, he has to make public sentiment force actions on crisis that we need. Lincoln said with public sentiment, anything is possible. Without is, nothing is possible. So there is movement and they have got to move forward and get that kind of movement from the outside in in order to be able to make a mandate even if its not given to them right now. Stay with us. We have more with this terrific panel. Next up, what happens to donald trump and what happens to the Republican Party . Uums exacty where you need it. Alexa, tell roomba to vacuum in front of the couch. 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Jon meachams truth is marching on. John lewis and the power of hope. Niall fergusons most recent, the square and the tower. Niall, let me ask you about the Republican Party. This is why i would persist in saying that the country is polarized. You have now by the latest polls 77 of the Republican Party that believes that this election was fraudulent and joe biden stole it. You have a situation where donald trump is without any question the dominant figure in the Republican Party, even after having lost an election, which seems to me very unusual. So in that context, why is it, in your view, if not for this, you know, rather extreme existential polarization, why are republicans not, you know, acknowledging the results of the election from Mitch Mcconnell down to, as i say, rank and file republicans who overwhelmingly think this was a stolen election . Well, lets remember, fareed, Many Democrats felt that way not only about the 2016 election, but about the 2000 election. So its not like its the first time that the losers have said the election was stolen. Democrats spent four years trying to find evidence that Vladimir Putin was responsible for Donald Trumps election and failed to find it. So i think we shouldnt exaggerate what we are seeing here. I think its important to recognize that trump was an extraordinarily charismatic political leader who was able to hijack the Republican Party in 2016. But he also was able to do it because he articulated policies that were popular, the antiimmigration policy, antifree trade policy, antiliberal elites. He was able to channel a great deal of frustration in middle america. Its not like frustration has gone away. I think youre also right that the democrats made the mistake of becoming the Lockdown Party which allowed trump to campaign as the make the economy great again candidate. But in the end, he lost. I dont Think Trumpism is going to go away. I think the next generation of Republican Leaders are going to have to meet the expectations of that extraordinarily mobilized base that trump has created. But i think, you know, in the end, and ill go back to something that Doris Kearns Goodwin said, i think we can understand this in the context of American History without having to look at Central Europe in the 1920s and 1930s. Trump is a populist. In many ways, he echoes the populism of the late 19th century. If trump refuses to go away politically, which i suspect he will, it will be a bit like William Jennings brian who was the populist who refused to go away as far as the Democratic Party was concerned and was an unsuccessful candidate for the presidency three times. Trump will doubtless seek to say the election was stolen, he should have another crack in 2024, but my guess is that the Republican Partys leadership, not only at the national level, but at the state level, is quietly planning to make sure that that doesnt happen. Publicly, they cannot denounce him, disown him, because if they do that, he is going to turn on them just as he has already turned on fox news. That will be very damaging for the Republican Party. A divided party never does well. So i think what we are seeing at the moment is the Republican Party Establishment Humoring donald trump all the way out of the white house. And i think they will then make sure that whatever happens, he is not the nominee in 2024. Doris kearns goodwin, has any individual ever dominated their party to the extent that trump seems to now . One thinks of t. R. Who went out on his own. Roosevelt, who in his fourth nomination didnt even attend the convention. Well, whats different today, obviously, is the media and the access to the media and the oxygen that it gives him with the continual tweets by trump. You know, when he is out of power and that oxygen isnt there day by day, i think there will be a diminution of the power he holds over the other people in the party. The real question to me is you are going to have a lot of individual republican legislators in this next section of congress. Are they going to feel the responsibility to do something about this crisis to put people back to work, to produce a safety net under the people that are being hurt, to deal with the way the vaccine is being distributed . Thats what you come in congress for, to do something to make a difference on behalf of your fellow americans. If they feel some sort of hunger to do that, you know, then maybe the desire to just make failure the answer so that two years from now they can win the Midterm Election will not win. I think thats what we have to hope on somehow. When fdr when my guy lbj was trying to persuade Everett Derkson to come with him on civil rights because the Democratic Party was split in two, he said if you come with me on this bill and bring republicans with you to break our filibuster because our party split in two, 200 years from now School Children will only know Abraham Lincoln and everett dirksen. Some of these people coming into congress who want to be other than the say no party that they have been so far and government is necessary right now perhaps more than in recent years. Jon, i want to ask about what niall said. I thought he said two different things. One, he thought trump would fade away. A lot of the ideas he represents were very powerful. I actually am more inclined toward that view, that trumps brand of conservative socially conservative nationalist populism has remade the Republican Party. I wonder whether the conversation you were talking about, about sort of essentially Less Government or more government, is the big conversation. The Republican Party seems to be the party of josh hawley and marco rubio, less interested in balancing the budget and cutting government spending, and more about being antiimmigrant, antichina, antitrade. Is that the future of the party . Unfortunately, it may be the future of American Politics where culture and identity are at the center as opposed to more rational policy choices about which reasonable people can disagree given their understanding and interpretation of data and circumstance. I think President Trump is the fullest manifestation of perennial not just american forces, but human forces. Nativism, isolationism, the all the isms that george w. Bush talked about in his last state of the union. The populism that niall was talking about isnt going away. It never has gone away. Its been with us from the beginning. We had our first make America Great election in 1800 when Thomas Jefferson wanted to return to the principles of 1776. So that was 24 years in. And i think, as arthur schlesinger, our mutual friend, used to say, the future outwits all of our certitude. Ops i dont think there is any way to know whats going to happen to President Trump. He could be joe mccarthy fading away, but he also has done something that no other american politician ever did, which is come in from the outside, take over a party, rise to the pinnacle of power, and govern for four years. And 74 Million People or so looked at the last four years or looked ahead four years in fear of a caricature of the Democratic Party and said, yeah, we want more of that. So we are a 51 country. Donald trump understands that intuitively. And i think that we are in a political cultural moment, as doris was saying, where the independent contractor, the independent actor, the disintermediated figure, as David Brandailles argued so brilliantly four years ago, donald trump is the disintermediation of American Politics. Thats a cultural, political, economic reality. I think what you see with the Republican Party right now is they are basically all participating in a kind of political hedge fund because they dont know either. They are hedging against trumps ongoing influence or that of his children or his allies, you know. Trump has always been a franchiser, and so there may be trump candidates as well as trump towers around the country going forward. All right. Stay with us. When we come back, i will ask these great historians with the democrats, what can joe biden learn from the past about healing a divided nation. Dont worry, theyre going to love you. Oh my gosh you made it did you put some ah, kale in the greens . 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Well, not only democratic president s. In a certain sense what lincoln did about i bringing in a team of rivals was bringing in factions from different parts of the Republican Party in the north. Radical, conservative and moderate so they would be around hip every day. He absorbed their understandings and reached out to their constituents. I think as President Elect biden figures out how to fill out thinks cabinet it will be important to have progressives within his inner circle, inner ear so they feel that they are being listened to. And he really truly can listen to them and try to figure out how to balance what they need, what the moderate needs and what can get through the congress. It may also be as lbj said, better to have your enemies in your tent pissing out instead of outside your tent pissing in. There is so much on the part of the moderates and progressives on what should be done and he has to walk down that progressive middle. Thats where progress will be made. Jon meacham, you have helped joe biden craft some of his words. Is eloquence enough . We had a very eloquent democratic president not so long ago, barack obama, and Mitch Mcconnell was pretty obstructionist. Havent we seen this movie before . The thing about history, of course, is we have always seen these movies before. We do all we can to make the ending happier, right . There was never a once upon a time in American History. There is never going to be a happily ever after. Rhetoric is about action. Thats the greek meaning of the word. Words matter, but words only go so far. You are exactly right. This is an enormously complicated challenge facing the incoming administration. Id argue its as complicated as and doris can check me on this as 32, 33. The good news, to some extent, is there is a tangible problem which can be addressed, the pandemic. And perhaps a competent datadriven, reasonable response that manages to put the country back in a slightly more normal place will give him some capital to spend on other issues. Niall, we dont have a lot of time, but i want to close with i want to ask you about your sort of optimism, which is do you think the world will look at this election and america right now and say, fundamentally, this was an impressive demonstration that the american system worked, the rule of law prevailed, or will it say, boy, the United States is in a very strange place politically, chaotic, you know, coming apart at the seams . What do you think . It depends where you are. By the way, thanks for the fact check, fareed. I never said the same proportion of democrats questioned the legitimacy of the 2016 election. Hillary clinton said it had been stolen. That was a significant intervention. Europeans will say, hooray, the United States is going back to normal and we can go back to transatlantic normality. I dont think thats the way its going to look in The Middle East where particularly in the arab world, they will worry that the Obama Policies with respect to iran will be resuscitated. The key thing here, and its important in light of what my colleagues have been saying, is that biden is not coming into office as Lyndon Johnson did or Franklin Roosevelt did with a massive dominant majority in congress. Remember, the democrats had 68 senate seats after the 1964 election. The most that biden could hope for is to scrape a tiny margin out of two runoffs in georgia and have Kamala Harris cast the deciding vote. I think what people will have to get used to in the rest of the world is joe biden is not going to be a very powerful president. Indeed, the danger for him, i think, he ends up being as weak as jimmy carter was. Why was that . Because carter simultaneously had to fight a cold war, and i believe we are in a cold war with china, even if there is a chance of detente, and satisfy the left of his own party. I think the world will have to get used to different presidency from donald trump, but also different from lbjs or fdrs whose names have been invoked today. We will leave it at that. Fascinating conversation with all three of you. I really appreciate it. Thank you, niall ferguson, jon meacham, Doris Kearns Goodwin. We will be back. When a hailstorm hit, he needed his insurance to get it done right, right away. Usaa. What youre made of, were made for. Usaa usaa. What youre made of, were made for. [announcer] forget about vacuuming for up to a month. Shark iq robot deep cleans and empties itself into a base you empty as little as once a month. And unlike standard robots that bounce around it cleans row by row. If its not a shark, its just a robot. The Royal Swedish Academy of sciences has today decided to award the 2020 Nobel Prize In Chemistry jointly to Emmanuelle Charpentier and Jennifer Doudna for the development of a method of Genome Editing. What a moment for those two scientists. It was the first time an allfemale team has won a nobel science prize. You may have heard of their groundbreaking discovery that brought them the prize, it is called crispr, and the easiest way to describe it is genetic scissors. Crispr gives scientists a way to cut out parts of the dna code and that code can be altered. Scientists believe that crispr may one day fix almost all genetic defects. Its been tested as a potential cure for cancers and might bring back the woolly mammoth. Nobel laureate, Jennifer Doudna, welcome back to the show. Thank you, fareed. Its great to be here. So, first, the question you are going to have to get very, very practiced at answering, how would you explain to a lay audience what crispr is and why its so significant . Well, i think your introduction was quite good. Crispr is a technology for changing the code of life, changing dna and cells in a precise fashion that gives scientists a tool to manipulate genes in ways never before possible. So help us with a few examples. There is Something Like sickle cell anemia. There seems to be, you know, a single dna responsible for it. Explain what crispr could do. Well, Sickle Cell Disease is a great example where Crispr Technology could be incredibly beneficial because its a disease that involves a single gene that contains a defective letter in the code. And crispr can be used to correct that code mistake or even change another gene that allows the patient to recover from their disease. And amazingly, this has already been done in a patient, victoria gray, whose Sickle Cell Disease has been effectively cured using crispr. When we talk about genetics and things linked to genes, there are other things linked to genes. You know, being blueeyed, being tall. Can you imagine crispr being used to essentially create a kind of baby or, you know, human that one wants . Well, this has been a big topic in the whole world of Genome Editing and with crispr in particular because of that potential. And so over the last five years there has been an active International Partnership to ensure responsible use of Genome Editing, including in human embryos. Right now thats effectively certainly in the United States is not allowed, and in other countries there is a strong Regulatory Framework that guides the way that it can be developed in the future. But technologically, it is possible . Given the it is. Tell me your reaction to what happened in china. A scientist there essentially used crispr to create twins who were essentially immune from hiv, as i understand it, and then the Chinese Scientific Establishment came down very hard on him. In fact, he is now serving a threeyear jail sentence. Do you think that this is deterrent enough . A lot of people worry this technology, once its out there, someone is going to do it. The announcement was quite shocking to the International Community and certainly to me, and i think has really galvanized the effort to ensure that that type of irresponsible use of crispr does not happen again. And we have to proceed with caution. If one thinks about the ramifications of your discoveries, i mean, you really human beings for the first time are being given the capacity to alter their very nature, you know, their genetic code. There is nothing that seems more immutable than that. Now it seems we can change it. Is there is this it feels like we are on a new path and you could imagine a world where we are, you know, able to create biological supermen or superwomen. Is that too dramatic . Thats a bit dramatic. I dont think thats happening anytime soon. But youre right in the sense that it is quite an extraordinary thing to think that we, as human beings, have in our hands a technology to change the very code that makes us who we are. And for that matter, the code of other organisms that we share the planet with. So i think it truly is a profound moment for biologists, and an exciting opportunity that comes, of course, with great responsibility. Jennifer doudna, always a pressure to have you on. Thank you so much. Thank you, fareed. Great to be here. And we will be back. Experience the power of sanctuary at the lincoln wish list sales event. Sign and drive off in a new lincoln with zero down, zero due at signing, and a complimentary first months payment. I felt gross. 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Those of us working remotely during the pandemic can all attest to the fact that its possible to do more online than we ever imagined. The realm of the digit at has extended well beyond digital conferences and ecommerce. Its forced us to see doctors online, go to school remotely, all kinds of businesses have adapted to this reality. Hollywood premiere, big budget films on streaming platforms. Gyms putting out youtube videos. Mish listen Star Restaurants have begun delivery services. As i write in my new book, the pandemic shows us The Technological Revolution already started by the rise of smartphones and software is further along. The pandemic served a kind of forced mass Product Testing for digital life. For the most part, our technological tools passed muster. When necessity dictated we must live digitally, we found out that we could. Its unlikely well ever go back to the way things were. That has led to fears of a postpandemic future in which people empty out cities, work is increasingly remote, and Human Interaction becomes all too infrequent. This too is unlikely. Technology has many benefits, but we also lose a lot of the texture of human life when we conduct business via zoom. Its useful in a crisis, and it allows us to work well with people we already now in situations that are family, but new people, new ideas, accidental discoveries are all much more difficult. On zoom, we spend social capital rather than building it up. Gone are the spontaneous interactions of the water cooler between colleagues that generate goodwill and morale and good ideas. Gone are the accidental meetings between students, professors and peers that are at the heart of learning. We will end up with some hybrid model that uses the convenience of technology but also values the power of actual human contact. We all crave that contact. While the pandemic might have deepened our understanding of this fact, its actually an ancient truth. Aristotle wrote in politics man is by nature a sort animal at the heart of this term is human beings are unique creatures and not fully formed at work. Theyre shaped by their environment, and environment is shaped crucially by other humans. The pandemic even as its accelerated the digital revolution, its also highlighted the shortcomings. We need human contact. In other words, aristotle was right. For more of the lessons that i write about, go to cnn. Com fareed and order my book ten lessons for a postpandemic world. Thanks for being here. I will see you next week. On. Ace your immune support, with centrum. Thats why weve merged with sprint. Get more. Now its about to get even better. And as we work to integrate sprints network, our nationwide 5g keeps getting stronger. With the capacity and coverage to reach more people and places across the country. Who says you cant have it all. 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